Vetting failure led to terrorism?

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by FlamingZword

That is baloney, I am an Apostolic and I do not teach what you are saying.

We do not condemn all other Christians to hell or say they are not really saved.

Just because we teach baptism in the name of Jesus does not mean that we automatically condemn all Trinitarians to Hell.

you are just blowing a whole lot of crazy smoke, you need to quit smoking that stuff from Mexico.

Nope. There is NO WAY for anyone who doesn't follow 21st century American Apostolic doctrine to be saved, according to 21st century American Apostolic doctrine.

Examine your doctrines and examine orthodox Christianity. If you're right, then you're really, really right AND the vast majority of all that the world has ever known of Christendom is in hell and burning with Genghis Khan, Emperor Nero, and Saddam Hussein.

If you're wrong, you're really, really wrong and it will only be by the Grace of God that the Apostolics will join the Baptists, Coptics, and Eastern Orthodox in that great number that no man can number.

[Jermyn Davidson]

The Bible can number cubits in various situations, but it can't number the number of people who follow 21st century American Apostolic doctrine. Since Azusa, there must be multiplied trillions of believers in the Oneness of God, who have been baptized with the Name of Jesus somehow expressed over them, who have spoke in tongues, who wear no facial hair, make up and etc...

More than a google of them, because you can number a google.

[FlamingZword]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

The Bible can number cubits in various situations, but it can't number the number of people who follow 21st century American Apostolic doctrine. Since Azusa, there must be multiplied trillions of believers in the Oneness of God, who have been baptized with the Name of Jesus somehow expressed over them, who have spoke in tongues, who wear no facial hair, make up and etc...

More than a google of them, because you can number a google.

You are deeply mistaken for not all Apostolics are UPCI, what you are saying is irrelevant to me and to many other of us Apostolics who are not UPCI.

Me thinks you are confusing and mixing many different issues.

[Sean]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

Many of these images do not show the death of Christians as I recognize them from other videos I have watched.

But if these people are not born of the water and the Spirit, as Apostolics present, then is it a situation of satan's children killing satan's children?

Should I help these so-called christians live another day so that they can spread their false doctrines?

When these people die, according to Apostolic doctrine, the only place they can go is hell. Apostolic doctrine demands this! There is NO GRACE for the believer in the Trinity! NONE AT ALL-- according to current 21st century American Apostolic doctrine.

So, if I provide help for them, it won't be because they are Christians because they are not saved and can't be Christian.

If I help them, it will be because they are human and it is in my means to help them.

However, there are millions of humans suffering over there-- all of them going to the same hell because none of them believe and practice the form of gospel as presented by 21st century American Apostolics.

If the Apostolics are right, I should save my money, pray for my immediate family instead, let satan's children kill satan's children, and pray for Jesus to hurry up and return.


Can't anyone else see that the form of gospel presented by Oneness Pentecostals absolutely prohibits anyone else who calls on the Name of the Lord from being saved?

It is IMPOSSIBLE for anyone who isn't baptized in Name of Jesus, or Lord Jesus, or Lord Jesus Christ, or whatever other variation-- IMPOSSIBLE for them to be saved! If they don't speak in tongues, they don't have the Holy Ghost inside them and they MUST BE LOST according to Oneness Pentecostal doctrine!

So helping them would be the same as helping a Muslim and the same as helping a Baptist and the same as helping a Trinitarian Pentecostal-- they are all lost and going to the same hell anyway-- that is according to 21st century American Apostolic teachings.

They aren't brothers. Any appeal to help them will then appeal to helping them as humans, but like I asked, with countless millions of humans needing help, what makes these people special?

In order to be consistent as an Apostolic, the answer can only be, "nothing".

They are not brothers. They are not sisters. They are not any more special than any other third world citizen that needs my help.

In order to be consistent as an Apostolic, until they are baptized our way and until they speak in tongues, they are not saved, not born again, not Christians and ultimately, not special in a world with countless millions who are suffering and lost.

Do I believe this way? Nope, but it is why I can't be Apostolic.

I need consistency.

Wait a minute JD...I have NEVER said any professing Christians are going to hell(except for preterists)


I have told folks the martyrs will be judged according to their works, and what a way to go...as a professing Christian!

You must be born again to see or experience the kingdom of God within you. That is all the Bible allows me to teach.

Everyone else will be judged according to their works.

God will judge them as He wishes, and rightly.

[Sean]

Rev. 14:9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,

10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:

11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

13 And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them.




J.D., I dont think these multitudes to die for God will be born again saints, just believing saints.

The Church is raptured(the Holy Ghost and all born again saints taken out of the way) at this point and the ones left behind, refusing the MARK are considered saints.


2 Thessalonians 2:7
“For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.”

[Sean]

The whole passage...




3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?

6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.

7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.

8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

[Esaias]

What happened to the third shooter? I was listening to Joe Pags the evening it all went down. He specifically said 'police have reported two shooters down, one in custody'. Where'd the third shooter go?

Why did Carly Fiorini say on air that according to the news reports the ATF said one of the rifles used had been purchased for a police department and she asked 'how did a rifle bought for a police department end up with these guys?'

Why do the photos of the vehicle not match each other, as if the vehicle was photographed in several different locations?

Why were the two dead perps in handcuffs? Who handcuffs dead people?

How coincidental is it that the location of the shooting was holding active shooter drills every month prior to this event?

How coincidental that an active shooter drill was in progress at the same time as the shooting, right down the road? A person 'on the scene' texted that 'Oh, the drill has started'.

Why were the media allowed in the suspects' apartment within two days of the event? Over 100 reporters were let into a major crime scene? So much for basic forensics 101. Why is that in all these horrible incidents there is never any realistic forensic crime scene analysis done, and all the crime scenes get destroyed (forensically) almost immediately? As in 9-11, Sandy Hook, the Batman Theater shooting, this... etc etc etc

Why is the female suspect's name spelled 'Farook' when people who speak Arabic translate the /k/ sound as 'Q' in Latin letters? (for example, don't Muslims write 'Quran' and not 'Koran'?) Why was her identification badge released via media photo footage have the word 'Reveune' instead of 'Revenue'? What state agency makes such a goofy mistake on their id badges? And if the badge was fake, was possible reason would this woman have for possessing such a stupid-cheap low budget fake ID?

Where's the third shooter?

Why did a Fox news reporter use the term 'actors' on air to refer to the suspects?

Why do the police claim they were taking fire from the suspects' vehicle when all the photos of the SUV show its windows rolled up (albeit damaged by police gunfire)? Who shoots rifles out of an SUV with the windows rolled up?

Why were the suspects identified as wearing 'combat gear' and body armor, but the body shown on the ground next to the SUV looks like a possible woman in a miniskirt and tank top with high heels?

Where's all the blood in the photos? There is a big red splotch on the ground next to the SUV but it doesn't look like blood (too red) and isn't in position to have been put there by a body being dragged from the vehicle. And where are the blood streaks?

Why are there some reports about the two suspects being found in the SUV already shot to death and handcuffed and stuffed BEHIND the BACK seat? Who shot them? Who handcuffed them? Who stuffed them behind the back seat? Who are these people anyway?

Where's the third shooter?

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Esaias

What happened to the third shooter? I was listening to Joe Pags the evening it all went down. He specifically said 'police have reported two shooters down, one in custody'. Where'd the third shooter go?

Why did Carly Fiorini say on air that according to the news reports the ATF said one of the rifles used had been purchased for a police department and she asked 'how did a rifle bought for a police department end up with these guys?'

Why do the photos of the vehicle not match each other, as if the vehicle was photographed in several different locations?

Why were the two dead perps in handcuffs? Who handcuffs dead people?

How coincidental is it that the location of the shooting was holding active shooter drills every month prior to this event?

How coincidental that an active shooter drill was in progress at the same time as the shooting, right down the road? A person 'on the scene' texted that 'Oh, the drill has started'.

Why were the media allowed in the suspects' apartment within two days of the event? Over 100 reporters were let into a major crime scene? So much for basic forensics 101. Why is that in all these horrible incidents there is never any realistic forensic crime scene analysis done, and all the crime scenes get destroyed (forensically) almost immediately? As in 9-11, Sandy Hook, the Batman Theater shooting, this... etc etc etc

Why is the female suspect's name spelled 'Farook' when people who speak Arabic translate the /k/ sound as 'Q' in Latin letters? (for example, don't Muslims write 'Quran' and not 'Koran'?) Why was her identification badge released via media photo footage have the word 'Reveune' instead of 'Revenue'? What state agency makes such a goofy mistake on their id badges? And if the badge was fake, was possible reason would this woman have for possessing such a stupid-cheap low budget fake ID?

Where's the third shooter?

Why did a Fox news reporter use the term 'actors' on air to refer to the suspects?

Why do the police claim they were taking fire from the suspects' vehicle when all the photos of the SUV show its windows rolled up (albeit damaged by police gunfire)? Who shoots rifles out of an SUV with the windows rolled up?

Why were the suspects identified as wearing 'combat gear' and body armor, but the body shown on the ground next to the SUV looks like a possible woman in a miniskirt and tank top with high heels?

Where's all the blood in the photos? There is a big red splotch on the ground next to the SUV but it doesn't look like blood (too red) and isn't in position to have been put there by a body being dragged from the vehicle. And where are the blood streaks?

Why are there some reports about the two suspects being found in the SUV already shot to death and handcuffed and stuffed BEHIND the BACK seat? Who shot them? Who handcuffed them? Who stuffed them behind the back seat? Who are these people anyway?

Where's the third shooter?

Did ANYONE read the topic?

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Esaias

What happened to the third shooter? I was listening to Joe Pags the evening it all went down. He specifically said 'police have reported two shooters down, one in custody'. Where'd the third shooter go?

http://www.vocativ.com/underworld/cr...ooter-ft-hood/

Why did Carly Fiorini say on air that according to the news reports the ATF said one of the rifles used had been purchased for a police department and she asked 'how did a rifle bought for a police department end up with these guys?'

Did she? I didn't see those News reports.

Why do the photos of the vehicle not match each other, as if the vehicle was photographed in several different locations?

Show me. How do they not match?

Why were the two dead perps in handcuffs? Who handcuffs dead people?

I only saw 1 cuffed. They don't go over and check a pulse first. Cuff first then check

How coincidental is it that the location of the shooting was holding active shooter drills every month prior to this event?

Not at all. Active shooters are becoming normal and the Police want to be prepared.

How coincidental that an active shooter drill was in progress at the same time as the shooting, right down the road? A person 'on the scene' texted that 'Oh, the drill has started'.

Once a month? Good odds.

Why were the media allowed in the suspects' apartment within two days of the event? Over 100 reporters were let into a major crime scene? So much for basic forensics 101.

FBI says they got what they needed.

Why is that in all these horrible incidents there is never any realistic forensic crime scene analysis done, and all the crime scenes get destroyed (forensically) almost immediately? As in 9-11, Sandy Hook, the Batman Theater shooting, this... etc etc etc

The theater and Sandy hook were destroyed? Immediately? Prove it

Why is the female suspect's name spelled 'Farook' when people who speak Arabic translate the /k/ sound as 'Q' in Latin letters? (for example, don't Muslims write 'Quran' and not 'Koran'?)

It's not. Her name is Tashfeen Malik

His is being reported as Syed Farooq or Farook, both. Why is that important?

Why was her identification badge released via media photo footage have the word 'Reveune' instead of 'Revenue'? What state agency makes such a goofy mistake on their id badges? And if the badge was fake, was possible reason would this woman have for possessing such a stupid-cheap low budget fake ID?

Show me. I looked.

Where's the third shooter?

See above

Why did a Fox news reporter use the term 'actors' on air to refer to the suspects?

For reals? I hear that all the time

noun
1.a person who acts in stage plays, motion pictures, television broadcasts, etc.
2.a person who does something; participant.

Why do the police claim they were taking fire from the suspects' vehicle when all the photos of the SUV show its windows rolled up (albeit damaged by police gunfire)? Who shoots rifles out of an SUV with the windows rolled up?

He opened the door and fired? Note, I don't know for sure they fired first. Police may have just went "shoot to kill", but his body was lying on the ground away from the vehicle and the door was opened.

Why were the suspects identified as wearing 'combat gear' and body armor, but the body shown on the ground next to the SUV looks like a possible woman in a miniskirt and tank top with high heels?

She changed clothes.

Where's all the blood in the photos? There is a big red splotch on the ground next to the SUV but it doesn't look like blood (too red) and isn't in position to have been put there by a body being dragged from the vehicle. And where are the blood streaks?

She was shot dead in the car. She bled out there. Her dead body was inside for a long time

Why are there some reports about the two suspects being found in the SUV already shot to death and handcuffed and stuffed BEHIND the BACK seat?

From who?

Who shot them? Who handcuffed them?

Police

Who stuffed them behind the back seat? Who are these people anyway?

Nobody. Didn't happen

Where's the third shooter?

See above

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

Many of these images do not show the death of Christians as I recognize them from other videos I have watched.

But if these people are not born of the water and the Spirit, as Apostolics present, then is it a situation of satan's children killing satan's children?

Should I help these so-called christians live another day so that they can spread their false doctrines?

When these people die, according to Apostolic doctrine, the only place they can go is hell. Apostolic doctrine demands this! There is NO GRACE for the believer in the Trinity! NONE AT ALL-- according to current 21st century American Apostolic doctrine.

So, if I provide help for them, it won't be because they are Christians because they are not saved and can't be Christian.

If I help them, it will be because they are human and it is in my means to help them.

However, there are millions of humans suffering over there-- all of them going to the same hell because none of them believe and practice the form of gospel as presented by 21st century American Apostolics.

If the Apostolics are right, I should save my money, pray for my immediate family instead, let satan's children kill satan's children, and pray for Jesus to hurry up and return.


Can't anyone else see that the form of gospel presented by Oneness Pentecostals absolutely prohibits anyone else who calls on the Name of the Lord from being saved?

It is IMPOSSIBLE for anyone who isn't baptized in Name of Jesus, or Lord Jesus, or Lord Jesus Christ, or whatever other variation-- IMPOSSIBLE for them to be saved! If they don't speak in tongues, they don't have the Holy Ghost inside them and they MUST BE LOST according to Oneness Pentecostal doctrine!

So helping them would be the same as helping a Muslim and the same as helping a Baptist and the same as helping a Trinitarian Pentecostal-- they are all lost and going to the same hell anyway-- that is according to 21st century American Apostolic teachings.

They aren't brothers. Any appeal to help them will then appeal to helping them as humans, but like I asked, with countless millions of humans needing help, what makes these people special?

In order to be consistent as an Apostolic, the answer can only be, "nothing".

They are not brothers. They are not sisters. They are not any more special than any other third world citizen that needs my help.

In order to be consistent as an Apostolic, until they are baptized our way and until they speak in tongues, they are not saved, not born again, not Christians and ultimately, not special in a world with countless millions who are suffering and lost.

Do I believe this way? Nope, but it is why I can't be Apostolic.

I need consistency.

yup. Generally speaking, quite accurate. You may define "Apostolic" for yourself though, i think; you don't have to accept anyone else's definition.