Demonic Spirits and the Believer - Page 2

Esaias · #11 02-26-2016, 09:16 PM

tick, tock, tick tock...

thephnxman · #12 02-26-2016, 10:04 PM

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Just one verse or passage teaching that Christians - filled with the Holy Ghost - can also have a demon and or need a demon to be cast out of them. Just one example or positive statement in the New Testament scriptures will suffice for me.

Beloved, do you believe the "once saved, always saved" doctrine?

I'm not trying to change the subject: I believe the topics are related.

mfblume · #13 02-27-2016, 06:11 AM

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So you are agreeing that God & devil cannot exist in the same room?
Or not? Which is it? Perhaps we could begin by defining "possession".

possession is when ones spirit, soul and body are under control of devils. but to possess a devil does not necessarily mean possession by devils. A Christian is a temple. the holiest is the human spirit where only the Lord as high priest dwells. no devil can enter there. but the same person can have a devil in the soul or body. I've seen it and cast them out.

It's like Holy Ghost filling. Just because you have the Holy Ghost doesn't mean you're filled with it. Filling means totally submitted to the Spirit. That's the reason the church was filled in Acts 2 but some of the same people were filled again in Acts 4. it's also why Eph 5:18 told Spirit baptized believers to be filled with the Spirit.

mfblume · #14 02-27-2016, 06:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Esaias

Just one verse or passage teaching that Christians - filled with the Holy Ghost - can also have a demon and or need a demon to be cast out of them. Just one example or positive statement in the New Testament scriptures will suffice for me.

Spirit "filled" people can't get an evil spirit.

mfblume · #15 02-27-2016, 06:26 AM

Acts 5:3 But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land?

mfblume · #16 02-27-2016, 06:31 AM

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So you are agreeing that God & devil cannot exist in the same room?
Or not? Which is it? Perhaps we could begin by defining "possession".

That's a weird question to answer. not your fault. just weird to answer. God is everywhere and devils are located in places in that everywhere.

God's is in believers while they still have wicked thoughts. He's in this world with evil in it as well.

His Spirit sort of retracts back into our human spirits when our souls or minds sin. when he filed us His influence expands outward from within our spirits and into our souls and bodies.

The ark wad in the holiest in Eli's day but sin was going on in the tabernacle outer court with his priestly boys. Phinehas and Hophni.

KeptByTheWord · #17 02-27-2016, 07:40 AM

Thanks Bro. Blume. I didn't have time yesterday to come back and respond here. Your analogy of Ananias and Sapphira is a good one, in that we can be believers, but still not totally submitted to the Lord Jesus, and evil things can still be in our hearts.

It seems there is a difference between an evil spirit that torments and is entertained in the heart of a believer, to one that has complete control and possession.

I think of King Saul who was anointed by God, and did great things for the Lord, but he began to be lifted up by pride and allowed an evil spirit in his heart that was a jealous spirit too, and that spirit stayed with him and tormented him, even though he had the anointing on him.

KeptByTheWord · #18 02-27-2016, 07:44 AM

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No. It says that there are a number of preachers going around pretending to be Christ's ministers but who are in fact ministers of satan. Their 'end shall be according to their works', which shows us they talk the talk but do not walk the walk. They present an appearance as being sent by Christ, when in fact they are agents of the adversary.

If they are preachers who are pretending to be Christ's ministers, it would follow that they had been baptized in Jesus name and filled with the spirit, would it not, in order for the saints to be deceived by them!

This scripture really does, in my opinion, speak to the fact that a spirit filled believer could become a deceiver, if their hearts do not become fully submitted to Christ, and instead they become vessels used by satan.

KeptByTheWord · #19 02-27-2016, 07:48 AM

A reprobate mind... the NT is quite clear about those turning from the Lord and having a reprobate mind. This would apply to those filled with the spirit, and claiming to be believers, who did not receive a love for the truth, entertained evil spirits, and were turned over to a reprobate mind.

Romans 1:28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

2 Corinthians 13:5 Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?

Titus 1:16 They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.

KeptByTheWord · #20 02-27-2016, 08:04 AM

As sad and scary as it is, it is quite clear in the NT, that there were those who once had a love for the truth, who were believers and followers of Jesus, who did not receive a love for the truth, and allowed deceiving spirits in their hearts to reign, instead of Jesus Christ, and who became transformed from ministers of Jesus into the vessels of the enemy.

Just because someone can talk the talk and act the part, does not mean that they truly are submitted fully to Jesus Christ. We must be careful to see that the works that come out of a believers life must be according to the fruit of the spirit, and not the fruit of the flesh.

Tormenting spirits can be entertained in the heart of a believer, and if they are not cast out, and thrown down, they will destroy.

II Timothy 2:24 And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient, 25 In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;
26 And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.

Paul told Timothy that to in "meekness instructing those that oppose themselves" to recover themselves from the snare of the devil, who are taken CAPTIVE by him at his will. Pretty scary stuff! Believers taken captive by satan!

We need to realize that just because someone speaks in tongues and claims to be filled with the spirit, does not necessarily mean they are truly submitted to Christ in all things.

And the snare of the enemy can happen if we entertain unclean thoughts and ideas in our hearts and allow tormenting spirits, that we can become deceived vessels of the enemy instead of the Lord.

Deception in the church is the enemy's greatest victory. Deceived to believe that one is carrying out the work of the Lord, when it is the work of deception and the enemy. Just as A & S were deceived and were deceiving, the Lord showed the church just how terrible a sin it is to have satan to fill the heart of a believer with deception.

Acts 5:3 But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land?