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View Poll Results: Does the golden rule save without Christ's cross?
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Yes, I am saved without the cross, by doing good to others as I would have good done to me.
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No, I am not saved without the cross, by doing good to others as I would have good done to me.
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08-08-2016, 06:39 PM
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Re: Does the golden rule save without the cross?
So, Shazeep, first you said the question on its own should have been left on its own without the first post.
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unfortunately, rather than simply ask the question, you have imposed your bias upon it in post #1
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Then when I ask you to answer just the question, and clarify to all that you did, you say the question is biased and slanted. You never said that at first. You said the question was fine, but the first post was your issue.
So, if the question is biased, howso? From what you have stated, people do not need to believe in the cross of Jesus, but simply do to others as they would have people do to them. That's what I mean when I say "without the cross."
So what's the problem?
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08-08-2016, 07:10 PM
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Re: Does the golden rule save without the cross?
Gandhi died lost.
Mother Teresa died lost.
Rabbi Menachem Mendel Schneerson died lost.
Father Guido Sarducci died lost.
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08-08-2016, 07:25 PM
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Re: Does the golden rule save without the cross?
1 Peter 2:24-25
Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed. or ye were as sheep going astray; but are now returned unto the Shepherd and Bishop of your souls.
No Cross, no regeneration to newness of life.
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08-08-2016, 07:53 PM
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Re: Does the golden rule save without the cross?
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08-08-2016, 08:05 PM
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Re: Does the golden rule save without the cross?
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And he died lost. 
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08-08-2016, 08:14 PM
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On the road less traveled
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Re: Does the golden rule save without the cross?
Believing that without the cross we can be saved? I'm stunned. No matter how you phrase or rephrase such a question... without the cross, the blood of Christ applied in our lives, there can be no regeneration of our flesh.
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08-08-2016, 08:16 PM
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Re: Does the golden rule save without the cross?
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Believing that without the cross we can be saved? I'm stunned. No matter how you phrase or rephrase such a question... without the cross, the blood of Christ applied in our lives, there can be no regeneration of our flesh.
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Right. Our friend is saying the act of doing good to others as we would have done to us, does for us the same thing as the cross does. So, without the cross having occurred, this golden rule supposedly saves us in the same way the cross does, according to "some".
Since Jesus said it fulfills the law, this opinion claims that means it saves. Somehow, fulfilling the law is salvation to our friend.
Thoughts from others?
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08-08-2016, 08:17 PM
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Re: Does the golden rule save without the cross?
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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa
1 Peter 2:24-25
Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed. or ye were as sheep going astray; but are now returned unto the Shepherd and Bishop of your souls.
No Cross, no regeneration to newness of life.
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Amen, that is true no matter how much we do to others as we would have the, do to us.
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...MY THOUGHTS, ANYWAY.
"Many Christians do not try to understand what was written in a verse in the Bible. Instead they approach the passage to prove what they already believe."
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08-09-2016, 02:52 AM
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Isaiah 56:4-5
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Re: Does the golden rule save without the cross?
Wasn't aware that Rob Bell posts here.
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08-09-2016, 04:17 AM
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