my workplace now has a LGBTQIA Club and if I expressed an opposing viewpoint I could be fired . . .
So much for equal rights.
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"Many Christians do not try to understand what was written in a verse in the Bible. Instead they approach the passage to prove what they already believe."
ORLANDO, FL -- Northland Community Church and Pastor Joel Hunter recently hosted a pro-LGBT event, “Elevating the Dialogue on LGBTQ Inclusion and Understanding in the Church,” with the overt message to “affirm” LGBTQ in and around Orlando. The pastor of Joy Metropolitan Church, who is in a same-sex relationship, and the founding pastor of The Impact Church of Orlando joined Hunter to discuss how Christians can work to make Orlando churches supportive of the LGBTQ lifestyle, regardless of their churches’ theological positions on marriage and sexuality. The purpose of the event is to distort the Bible and change theology in order to affirm an LGBTQ lifestyle as normative.
Attendees were asked to fill out a survey regarding their personal sexual lifestyle choices and their views about LGBT inclusion in the church.
The discussions were organized by The Reformation Project (TRP), a so-called “Bible-based, Christian grassroots organization” that works to promote inclusion of LGBT people by reforming church teaching on sexual orientation and gender identity with the goal for a global church that fully affirms LGBT people. TRP’s leader, Matthew Vines, wrote a book called God and the Gay Christian. TRP conducts a leadership program each year where attendees undergo a “three-month period of intensive study about Scripture and LGBT inclusion, community organizing and the intersections between racial justice and LGBT equality.”
“The Reformation Project is designed to change the church to affirm an LGBTQ lifestyle as normative, and it appears Pastor Joel Hunter has fallen into that trap. For him to host that pro-LGBT event is heresy,” said Mat Staver, Founder and Chairman of Liberty Counsel. “While we all are sinners and all are welcome at the foot of the cross, Jesus also told the adulteress to go and sin no more. He did not affirm her in the sin of adultery, nor did he affirm people in their continued sin. He saves us from our sin. The doesn’t mean we do not falter, but we cannot distort His grace as a license to continue to sin,” said Staver.
“Matthew Vines thinks it is okay to keep sinning and convince yourself it's not a big deal. Vines says the Bible only condemns lust, not same-sex committed relationships. He believes Sodom and Gomorrah had nothing to do with homosexuality, and other passages in the New Testament do not mean what they say. In other words, being LGBTQ is okay and the Bible says nothing contrary. Human sexuality is not to be taken lightly or compromised. The message of the Reformation Project and this event are wrong and an affront to Jesus and the Bible. The church needs to live in the resurrection power of Jesus and stop compromising to be just like the sinful culture we are called to redeem,” said Staver.
I LIVED in Orlando for many, many years and THIS reads like a hit-piece, a character assassination, on this church and on Pastor Hunter.
First and foremost, anyone who knows anything about Orlando knows that "affirming" homosexuality is not a "problem" that Orlando, FL has. Orlando is Florida's San Francisco!
Maybe, just maybe, the "Liberty Counsel" is just trying to make a name for itself with writing an inflammatory article.
How can they prove this assertion?
"The pastor of Joy Metropolitan Church, who is in a same-sex relationship, and the founding pastor of The Impact Church of Orlando joined Hunter to discuss how Christians can work to make Orlando churches supportive of the LGBTQ lifestyle, regardless of their churches’ theological positions on marriage and sexuality."
Basically, just talking about it will lead Northland Church into apostasy.
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The very same grace that saves the liar, cheat, fraud, murder, or adulterer... saves the homosexual. It is our need for grace that brings us to Him. If we justify our sin, we're essentially saying that we don't need a Savior.
1 John 1:9-10 King James Version (KJV)
9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
Frankly, affirming the sin cuts them off from the opportunity to experience the grace of God that saves us all.
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Would you mind clarifying the above comment?
His statement seems sensible to me.
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Is that what the company has in print? I don't believe a company can fire someone for their religious beliefs. In fact, I believe that's a federal statute, along with age, sex, nationality, etc.
*Update - Title VII of the Civil Rights Act:
""UNLAWFUL EMPLOYMENT PRACTICES
SEC. 2000e-2. [Section 703]
(a) Employer practices
It shall be an unlawful employment practice for an employer -
(1) to fail or refuse to hire or to discharge any individual, or otherwise to discriminate against any individual with respect to his compensation, terms, conditions, or privileges of employment, because of such individual’s race, color, religion, sex, or national origin; or
(2) to limit, segregate, or classify his employees or applicants for employment in any way which would deprive or tend to deprive any individual of employment opportunities or otherwise adversely affect his status as an employee, because of such individual’s race, color, religion, sex, or national origin.""
I heard just this week about an employee getting fired from her PRIVATE SECTOR job just for expressing anti-homosexual lifestyle views on her own Facebook page.
That is happening and it should not be happening.
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I heard just this week about an employee getting fired from her PRIVATE SECTOR job just for expressing anti-homosexual lifestyle views on her own Facebook page.
That is happening and it should not be happening.
This is why I don't connect on social media with people from work.
I don't have my employer listed on FB. I also declined to join my work's private FB page, meant for employees to share posts and photos from work and events.
Several years ago I interviewed for a tech support position and during the interview, they gave me a document requesting my social media information, including login permission to view my posts and information. Since employment was contingent on my signing the document, I walked out of the interview. I was pretty disappointed, because the pay was really good, but no way am I going to allow an employer access to my private, personal social networks.
This is why I don't connect on social media with people from work.
I don't have my employer listed on FB. I also declined to join my work's private FB page, meant for employees to share posts and photos from work and events.
Several years ago I interviewed for a tech support position and during the interview, they gave me a document requesting my social media information, including login permission to view my posts and information. Since employment was contingent on my signing the document, I walked out of the interview. I was pretty disappointed, because the pay was really good, but no way am I going to allow an employer access to my private, personal social networks.
One of the affects of corporate personhood.
Corporations do not have a "RIGHT" to any of that.
You know what is just on the horizon? Corporations having the right to deny employment to you based on genetic mutations. If your DNA indicates that you may develop this illness, well, we just won't hire you.
Privacy you to be an American right!
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"The choices we make reveal the true nature of our character."
Is that what the company has in print? I don't believe a company can fire someone for their religious beliefs. In fact, I believe that's a federal statute, along with age, sex, nationality, etc.
*Update - Title VII of the Civil Rights Act:
""UNLAWFUL EMPLOYMENT PRACTICES
SEC. 2000e-2. [Section 703]
(a) Employer practices
It shall be an unlawful employment practice for an employer -
(1) to fail or refuse to hire or to discharge any individual, or otherwise to discriminate against any individual with respect to his compensation, terms, conditions, or privileges of employment, because of such individual’s race, color, religion, sex, or national origin; or
(2) to limit, segregate, or classify his employees or applicants for employment in any way which would deprive or tend to deprive any individual of employment opportunities or otherwise adversely affect his status as an employee, because of such individual’s race, color, religion, sex, or national origin.""
nDavid, as much as I would like to agree with you.... we are talking about a fallen world that cares very little for religious belief.
While it might be codified that one cannot discriminate based on religious belief, we have seen in practice where religious belief (protected legally) comes in contact with some other protected class, religious belief loses.
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nDavid, as much as I would like to agree with you.... we are talking about a fallen world that cares very little for religious belief.
While it might be codified that one cannot discriminate based on religious belief, we have seen in practice where religious belief (protected legally) comes in contact with some other protected class, religious belief loses.
True.
Also, in right to work States, employers do not have to disclose why you are being terminated. So they can easily fire you for your religious belief and not have to say that was the reason why.
I heard just this week about an employee getting fired from her PRIVATE SECTOR job just for expressing anti-homosexual lifestyle views on her own Facebook page.
Also, in right to work States, employers do not have to disclose why you are being terminated. So they can easily fire you for your religious belief and not have to say that was the reason why.
I thought religious conservatives supported "right to work" legislation. Why support something that is against your best interest?
I'm a union guy. We fight right to work legislation tooth and nail. lol
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