Does God Still Kill People (Ananias and Sapphira)?

[votivesoul]

Originally Posted by Dordrecht

I am not surprised he's retired.
Guys like that should not be preaching.

That's not even the half of it.

[Dordrecht]

Originally Posted by votivesoul

That's not even the half of it.

True.

[jediwill83]

Ezekiel 7:9
And mine eye shall not spare, neither will I have pity: I will recompense thee according to thy ways and thine abominations that are in the midst of thee; and ye shall know that I am the Lord that smiteth.



that eth on smiteth denotes that Jehovah Nakah is a continual aspect of Gods character.

I think what happened with Annanias and Saphira is enough scripture to set a new testament example of current possible behavior.

Im also drawn to the old testament scriptures in Leviticus where the sons of Aaron offer up strange fire and are consumed.

I believe that there is mortal danger in profaning the Holy when occupying the position of ministry.

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by votivesoul

Do you mind substantiating the claim above through the Holy Scriptures? I would appreciate it. Thanks.

Well obviously one could start with Ananias and Saphira. I dont think I have heard anyone say anyone except God killed them.

Here is one that is rather fearful.

Rev 2:20-23

20Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols. 21And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not. 22Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds. 23And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts:

Note verse 23. And I will kill her children with death.

I dont see how it could be clearer do you?

God will send 2 prophets in Rev. 11 who will kill multitudes by pronouncing his judgments. Not to mention all God will kill by his trumpet judgments.

Personally I dont think a case could be made that he does not kill in the New Testament times.

[votivesoul]

Thanks Jedi and Mike.

Going a little further into it, if someone dies today, can it be known or proven that God was the One who caused or orchestrated that death?

I know we have the Scriptural examples. But outside of the Scriptures? The Yasser Arafat example, for example, from the OP. The claim was God killed him. Is there a way to substantiate that beyond subjectivity?

So, even if we can show through the Scriptures that God has killed people, how do we show evidence of it happening today?

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by votivesoul

Thanks Jedi and Mike.

Going a little further into it, if someone dies today, can it be known or proven that God was the One who caused or orchestrated that death?

I know we have the Scriptural examples. But outside of the Scriptures? The Yasser Arafat example, for example, from the OP. The claim was God killed him. Is there a way to substantiate that beyond subjectivity?

So, even if we can show through the Scriptures that God has killed people, how do we show evidence of it happening today?

Thats the problem. In Bible days when God killed someone I seriously doubt if everyone was in agreement that God had done it. We accept it because we think the Bible is true history.

Others who lived at the time may have had their own ideas what happened.

I could tell several stories where I believe God did it yet Im sure almost everyone else would be highly offended and so how awful to think such things.

Probably many are not sensitive enough to the Spirit to tell if it were God. I mean most Church members nowadays dont believe in the FEAR OF GOD......much less the JUDGMENT OF GOD.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Thats the problem. In Bible days when God killed someone I seriously doubt if everyone was in agreement that God had done it. We accept it because we think the Bible is true history.

Others who lived at the time may have had their own ideas what happened.

I could tell several stories where I believe God did it yet Im sure almost everyone else would be highly offended and so how awful to think such things.

Probably many are not sensitive enough to the Spirit to tell if it were God. I mean most Church members nowadays dont believe in the FEAR OF GOD......much less the JUDGMENT OF GOD.

+1!

[Michael The Disciple]

Votivesoul,

Give us your two cents?

[votivesoul]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Votivesoul,

Give us your two cents?

I am inclined to say "yes". If the stories about Ananias and Sapphira and Herod were not in Acts, I would lean toward "no". But I think those stories are in there for a reason apart from just telling the story.

With Ananias and Sapphira, it is seen that lying to the Holy Spirit, because it got two people killed by God, means God might just kill anyone else who likewise lies to the Holy Spirit.

With Herod, as he absorbed the people's worship, he was destroyed. So, same thing. The story is there to warn us that if ever we absorb the worship of others as our due, God might send an angel our way and smite you with worms.

These are two instances in which some can be saved through fear.

But as far as pointing to a current or even ancient example outside of the Holy Scriptures, I don't know how to make a case beyond anything subjective. I wish there was a way that proof may be offered, so that if and when it happens, "great fear" might come upon all, such as with Ananias and Sapphira.

[jediwill83]

Interesting story about William Branham.

Apparently when he started getting off into some "questionable " doctrine, before the wreck him and his wife had, some people had a prayer meeting where there was supposedly a word from God where "God" said that" He was removing the prophet from the land to save him and to save this nation."

So a bit anecdotal but there it is....a little later him and his wife were involved in the wreck that took his life after hospitalization.