I'm not sure that the best approach was to punk "the boy". In my opinion she should have tried to come across as transcendant, above, and different from the typical politicking. Going on the attack simply invites return fire and I'm just of the opinion that she has too much that can be attacked.
I still haven't had a chance to watch the whole speech, but the parts I did see that were not sarcastic were good.
Coming across as "transcendnant" is a sweet thought but if you don't point out your opponents weaknesses I can gurantee you nobody else is going to do it.
Especially if you are a Republican since the media is in the bag for the Democrats.
Obama tries to give off the aura of being "transcendant" but if you will pay attention to his speeches either right before or right after he disses the "politics of old", yada, yada, yada, he then proceeds to engage in EXACTLT the same behaviour he was deriding five minutes earlier.
I have absolutely no problem with canidates of either party pointing out things about their opponents as long as they are accurate and not personal attacks. Sarah Palin's speech met that criteria.
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"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
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Jeanie, I'm not disputing the "suggestion that it was a dem", I'm disputing the humongous leap to "suggest that it was the Dems". Like the other examples I gave could come from a Republican, but not necessarily the Republicans.
As far as the dissemination of the info, That is to be expected nowadays. As a matter of fact, they are currently looking at editing done to her wikipedia article by someone apparently connected to her in the hours leading up to her announcement.
I'm sure that the issue with the husbands DUI was also among the things in the report that you alluded to earlier, so that would not have been a new find.
The issue with her BIL was also already common knowledge and is not just about her bad relationship with him, but her alleged firing of the Public Safety Director for not firing him.
stew, i agree that its a hard sell to suggest all this comes from democrats at the behest of either the DNC or Barak Obama's campaign.
but all of it sure is being repeated by a media that has a very bad rep among 2 key demographics. 1. Republican base voters, 2. Swing voters (see my comments on Rassumssen's polling data)
the point that the Republicans will make is that Palin is being subjected to media scrutany (sp) that Barak Obama wasnt.
case in point. the media has reported and repeated repeatedly that Palins husband got a DUI. what we find out is that it was 22 years ago when Mr. Palin was 22 years old....
the second half of that is that when Barak was about that age or slightly younger, he has admitted to being a hard drug user!
The people who are trying to disqualify Palin for her husbands DUI, have never once suggested that Obama HIMSELF is disqualifed for the same if not worse behavior.
Does that mean I think Obama's drug use at that age should disqualify him? Absolutly not. but it does mean that the people who will decide this election for the republicans see this hypocracy. THAT is the point.
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she is better on her feet with short answers than biden, that is my take, and biden is old and slow to draw, that is all without saying that i dont like him, which i never have, dt
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I loved it when she pointed out that Obama has authored two memoirs but has not authored a single major piece of legislation.
It is really astonishing how Obama has actually accomplished so little yet has been able to market himself. He is an amazing orator and presence but has virtually no resume. Yet Dems have the audacity to complain about the Republcian VP canidates experience when the guy topping their ticket seeking the actual Presidency is an empty suit.
PALIN: "There is much to like and admire about our opponent. But listening to him speak, it's easy to forget that this is a man who has authored two memoirs but not a single major law or reform — not even in the state senate."
THE FACTS: Compared to McCain and his two decades in the Senate, Obama does have a more meager record. But he has worked with Republicans to pass legislation that expanded efforts to intercept illegal shipments of weapons of mass destruction and to help destroy conventional weapons stockpiles. The legislation became law last year. To demean that accomplishment would be to also demean the work of Republican Sen. Richard Lugar of Indiana, a respected foreign policy voice in the Senate. In Illinois, he was the leader on two big, contentious measures in Illinois: studying racial profiling by police and requiring recordings of interrogations in potential death penalty cases. He also successfully co-sponsored major ethics reform legislation.
Coming across as "transcendnant" is a sweet thought but if you don't point out your opponents weaknesses I can gurantee you nobody else is going to do it.
Especially if you are a Republican since the media is in the bag for the Democrats.
Obama tries to give off the aura of being "transcendant" but if you will pay attention to his speeches either right before or right after he disses the "politics of old", yada, yada, yada, he then proceeds to engage in EXACTLT the same behaviour he was deriding five minutes earlier.
I have absolutely no problem with canidates of either party pointing out things about their opponents as long as they are accurate and not personal attacks. Sarah Palin's speech met that criteria.
right on, her speech passed the smell test, dt
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look dude, those debates are set up for short quick answers, she is specific and graphic, biden takes 10 mins to get warmed up, you only get a min, what is he going to do to her, that will not look like he is attacking her, lol, it will be fun, dt
Why would you expect him not to attack her? I think all of that fooey about him having to take it easier on her and not look condescending went out last night. She took a very condesending tone towards Obama. She took the gloves off and landed major blows very well last night.
Sure, Biden has to be congenial to her and not lose his temper, but Sarah Palin isn't going to be treated with kid gloves. She came out very strong last night and they'll answer just as strong I'm sure.
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Do you really believe she'll make mincemeat of Biden? Seriously?
I mean sure the lady can give a great speech, but Joe Biden isn't exactly a chump. He's been grilled time and time again on shows like Meet the Press and others over 30 years. Your guaranteeing that a lady who hasn't even been made available to the national press because they're trying to get her up to speed is going to obliterate him? You're putting a lot of faith in her.
Let me tell you why I've pretty much pulled all my hair out by now. It's like we live in parallel dimensions or a twilight zone during this time the election cycle.
If I talk to a Democrat they act like there was nothing good about the Republican speeches...then when I talk to a Republican they do the same about all the Democrat speeches. When in all actuality I believe that the professional speech writers on both sides are too good for that to actually be the case. I am not afraid to admit that I did hear good things at both conventions and that gives me a framework to honestly discuss the direction I want us to go in.
I see people ridiculing liberals for being so affected by an Obama speech and by words in general...then melt like butter at a Palin speech. The reverse would be true too. Some Dems will say that they were just words but swoon at an Obama speech.
Somebody stop the teeter-totter long enough for us as citizens to have a balanced rational discussion
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I'm not sure that the best approach was to punk "the boy". In my opinion she should have tried to come across as transcendant, above, and different from the typical politicking. Going on the attack simply invites return fire and I'm just of the opinion that she has too much that can be attacked.
I still haven't had a chance to watch the whole speech, but the parts I did see that were not sarcastic were good.
is this the standard that dissappointed you about both Joe Biden's speech and Barak Obama's?
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PALIN: "There is much to like and admire about our opponent. But listening to him speak, it's easy to forget that this is a man who has authored two memoirs but not a single major law or reform — not even in the state senate."
THE FACTS: Compared to McCain and his two decades in the Senate, Obama does have a more meager record. But he has worked with Republicans to pass legislation that expanded efforts to intercept illegal shipments of weapons of mass destruction and to help destroy conventional weapons stockpiles. The legislation became law last year. To demean that accomplishment would be to also demean the work of Republican Sen. Richard Lugar of Indiana, a respected foreign policy voice in the Senate. In Illinois, he was the leader on two big, contentious measures in Illinois: studying racial profiling by police and requiring recordings of interrogations in potential death penalty cases. He also successfully co-sponsored major ethics reform legislation.
and dont forget he refused to support legislation to protect allready born babies, if they are alive they should be cared for not killed, besides the evil of the abortion in the first place, what a bunch of double talk, dt
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100% agree with you here.
a couple of points to add. No one in modern presidential history has won the whitehouse without their base being fired up.
and no one in modern presidential history hsa won the whitehouse without appealing to the independant swing vote.
the winner is the guy who keeps the base fired up and wins the swing vote... in every election.
McCain is and always has been the guy on this ticket who appeals to the swing vote. His main problem was a base that was holding its nose.
Sarah Palin as removed the fingers from the bases nose, and got them to dig into their pocket book. the base now has a dog in this hunt, and McCain is getting them to give bigtime right now.
having said all that, I still say this race is the dems to lose. McCain can only keep it close and hope ZerObama makes mistakes.
Ferd, I understand that McCain needed to rally the base (or else he would have probably chosen Lieberman). I just think that there are some who would have rallied the base for the same reason, but are not as risky.
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