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10-01-2016, 12:10 PM
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Re: Law was an impossible system to keep
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Why don't you actually deal with the context verse by verse to see?
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Because he can't. If he was to do that, he would tangle himself up to the point of either agreeing with you, or "gasp" not being able to post a rebuttal?
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10-01-2016, 05:02 PM
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In other words, Gill didn't know what it meant.
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Lol
Circular reasoning, though.
I didn't even know what he thought and just checked to see his opinion. Agreed with mine. It's true because Paul clearly stated law cannot be kept with natural power. So that's the only conclusion that makes sense in John.
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10-02-2016, 03:10 AM
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Re: Law was an impossible system to keep
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Lol
Circular reasoning, though.
I didn't even know what he thought and just checked to see his opinion. Agreed with mine. It's true because Paul clearly stated law cannot be kept with natural power. So that's the only conclusion that makes sense in John.
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Sorry, but Paul did not say that. Rather, that is a conclusion you have made from Paul's statements.
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10-02-2016, 06:40 AM
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Re: Law was an impossible system to keep
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Sorry, but Paul did not say that. Rather, that is a conclusion you have made from Paul's statements.
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Excuse me elder, but could the carnal man do anything which God had prescribed to the Spiritual man?
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10-02-2016, 01:22 PM
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Re: Law was an impossible system to keep
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Excuse me elder, but could the carnal man do anything which God had prescribed to the Spiritual man?
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The carnal man can and usually does perform a lot of actions that were prescribed for the spiritual man, such as prayer, fasting, alms-giving, and other "motions of religion", but the carnal man cannot be subject to God. There is somewhere he will be in rebellion against God.
The carnal man is a man whose will is directed by the flesh, by sin, by his own desires, rather than by the Spirit, by righteousness, by the will of God. Such carnal or fleshly people are often highly religious and may appear pious, but in reality they got it all wrong. Pharisees being a prime example.
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10-02-2016, 03:30 PM
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Re: Law was an impossible system to keep
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The carnal man can and usually does perform a lot of actions that were prescribed for the spiritual man, such as prayer, fasting, alms-giving, and other "motions of religion", but the carnal man cannot be subject to God. There is somewhere he will be in rebellion against God.
The carnal man is a man whose will is directed by the flesh, by sin, by his own desires, rather than by the Spirit, by righteousness, by the will of God. Such carnal or fleshly people are often highly religious and may appear pious, but in reality they got it all wrong. Pharisees being a prime example.
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Excellent
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10-01-2016, 05:03 PM
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'Certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed rose up and said...'
Sure looks to me like it's in the context.
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I already said both Sinaitic law and Pharisaism share the idea circumcision was necessary for gentiles to come into the congregation.
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10-02-2016, 07:28 AM
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Sorry, but Paul did not say that. Rather, that is a conclusion you have made from Paul's statements.
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I'm willing to discuss it and await your response to the post outlining Paul's words in Romans 7
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10-02-2016, 07:29 AM
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Excuse me elder, but could the carnal man do anything which God had prescribed to the Spiritual man?
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Never. Good point. The law is spiritual Paul said.
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10-02-2016, 07:32 AM
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Bump
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