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Old 12-09-2015, 01:57 PM
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Re: Guns and the Bible

How do you offend a Christian?
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Old 12-09-2015, 02:31 PM
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Re: Guns and the Bible

Oh, this is a Christian forum? J/k. But seriously you just question their traditions and doctrines.
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Old 12-09-2015, 02:46 PM
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Did Paul call on the centurions?

Knowing his immediate fate and as a Roman, requesting assistance to be delivered from the Jews?.....YES! (he knew good and well that they would surround him with soldiers, as he was a Roman)



Then how is his faith in question?

It was not, but Paul used POLITICS to be delivered.

Do you think the event was happenstance or was it ORDAINED of God?


And where was his sword when taken captive?
His sword was in proxy of the Roman soldiers. If anyone would have got near Paul, then they would have become quite porous.

Paul was supplied an armed guard by God to get to Rome, as God wanted him to be.

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Old 12-09-2015, 03:42 PM
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Paul was a spiritual warrior. A gladiator I doubt.
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Old 12-09-2015, 04:20 PM
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1. I used the OT in nearly every post.
Not sure if it was you, but several here have stated 'yeah, but that's all in the old testament' as if that just invalidates everything said so far. I have seen this on other subjects as well - people say 'all those verses are from the OT so it doesn't apply'.

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2. Yes it occurred in one setting, and we are clearly taught in that one setting what happens. Hence why there wasn't more than one occurrence?
And what was clearly taught? First of all, that Jesus did not command disarmament. Secondly, that those who live by the sword will die by the sword. Nobody who knows anything about weapons denies that. But what then are we to draw from this? How is this to be applied? I suggest that applying that passage by saying 'see? We are not to be armed or to use arms for self defense!' is going waaaay beyond what is written, and in fact contradicts what is written. But then again, I have seen it on other subjects here and other places (in real life even) where people seem to think that if an event in scripture happened once, it means it can be ignored and holds nothing for us today - unless it is repeated over and over again. Which I absolutely do not understand????

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3. Question 2 covers this also.

I feel like we are running in circles. It is a deep subject that touches many people. I don't have all the answers or time to post. My apologies if I have offended anyone.
No offense taken (not by me, anyway). I just thought it was weird that people would suggest 'that happened before Pentecost, so it doesn't apply for today'. I really don't understand that kind of reasoning. I have no idea where it actually comes from (for sure it doesn't come from the Bible itself).
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Old 12-09-2015, 10:41 PM
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Peter was carrying the sword before Pentecost when he received the power of the Holy Ghost. There is no mention of any of the early church having weapons of any kind after Pentecost that I know of. Instead, when they were being chased down by Saul, they fled, instead of fought. Jesus spoke about fleeing as well when trouble and persecution comes, and that is exactly what happened when Saul began to persecute the church.

I know this is a tough issue, and hard to say that in every circumstance one should or should not carry a weapon. Again, it really comes down to this - being led by the Spirit of the Lord, and filled with His power and love at all times, and in all situations.
Amen.

The early Christians were catching a lot of flak but yet not one word in the book of Acts of any Steven Seagal Aikido style.
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Old 12-10-2015, 08:14 AM
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Steven Seagal be da man!
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Old 12-10-2015, 08:17 AM
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Steven Seagal be da man!
ah, yes; one of the proliferation of Charles Bronson clones. Righteous retribution sells, apparently
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Old 12-10-2015, 08:30 AM
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I never seen him get touched...lol
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Steven Seagal be da man!
Steven Segal has a demonic spirit.
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