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Originally Posted by YounginHope
Is the Word revealed to you, Esaias? Do you believe in revelations? Their are others that see this the way I do. It's not just me. And you disregard them, too. I don't agree with them in all that they believe.
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I believe in the Spirit revealing the Word to believers. I do not believe in the Spirit revealing things not taught in the Word, not supported by the Word, and contradicted by the Word.
I disregard as doctrine or TRUTH anything not taught in the Bible, period.
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Peter did not tell the Jews to repent only, and receive the Holy Ghost. He also said and be baptised...and ye shall receive the Holy Ghost. They weren't baptised with water yet in Acts 10, yet they received the Holy Ghost. That leads me to believe it wasn't water he was talking about in 2:38.
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I do not follow the logic or reasoning you are using. The fact the Gentiles received the Spirit before being baptised in water does not necessarily mean Peter was not referring to baptism in water in
Acts 2:38. That is simply a non sequitur. Please show WHY your conclusion follows from the events in
Acts 10.
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You have asserted that water baptism is necessary for salvation. So I ask you, Esaias, would you have died lost if you had died before being water baptised after you received the Holy Ghost?
I can't imagine how this isn't plain.
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Peter states baptism (and this is connection with water!) saves us:
1Pe 3:20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited
in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is,
eight souls were saved by water.
1Pe 3:21
The like figure whereunto even
baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:
Peter stated that 'in the days of Noah' eight people were saved by water. He says the antitype, baptism, 'now' saves us. The eight people being saved by water in Noah's days is the type, and us being saved by baptism now is the antitype. (And no, Peter does not say 'this is not water baptism but an inward, invisible conversion only, apart from water baptism.' He says baptism is not the putting away of filth of the flesh but the answer (Greek, 'demand') of a good conscience towards God. That is, Christian water baptism is not a mere bath, for physical cleansing from physical dirt, but is the answer of a good conscience towards God. A person who refuses to be baptised in water in response to the gospel evidences an evil conscience towards God and His Gospel.)
The word baptism first occurs in reference to John's ministry. He clearly baptised in water. Then, baptism by the disciples of Jesus of new converts to Jesus is recorded, and these are clearly water baptisms as well. The whole discussion about this in the Gospel of John is sandwiched between Jesus telling Nicodemus about the necessity of being 'born of water and the Spirit' on the one hand, and the Samaritan woman and 'living water' on the other hand. Not to mention it is in close connection to the narrative of Jesus' turning water into wine.
Thus, baptism is established as being PRIMARILY a dunking in water, an actual physical act. From this actual physical act using water, a metaphorical use of 'baptism' is developed, such as when Jesus said 'I have a baptism to be baptised with' (which certainly has nothing to do with any spiritual conversion from sin to holiness!). It is also used metaphorically in regard to the Spirit (you shall be baptised with he Holy Spirit, etc) as describing an immersion in the Spirit.
Thus, when the word baptise or baptism is used in Scripture, UNLESS THE IMMEDIATE CONTEXT DEMANDS OTHERWISE, it is to be understood as referring to water baptism. And there is nothing in the immediate context of Acts chapter 2, Acts ch 8, Acts ch 10, Acts ch 19, or Acts ch 22 that would demand or even suggest that anything OTHER than a water baptism is intended by the words baptise, baptism, or baptised.
As for would I have died 'saved' if I died before being baptised in water? Jesus said this:
He that believeth AND IS BAPTISED shall be saved, but he that believeth not shall be damned.
Paul said faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. And also that faith is the means by which we are saved.
Therefore, to be saved, we must have faith, and that faith must come from the Word of God. There is no Word of God that says one can be saved without being baptised. There IS Word of God that explicitly states if you believe AND ARE BAPTISED you SHALL BE SAVED.
There is also Scripture which says 'he that has begun a good work in you shall perform it'.
God began a work in me. He performed it, and continues to do so. I firmly believe that NOBODY 'almost makes it' unless they themselves TURN BACK. My own testimony is proof of this fact to me, and it is verified by the Word of God.
There is no Word of God that suggests God might not 'complete the work in time' due to 'unforeseen and unfortunate incidents'. Nobody is going to die on the way to their baptism, unless there is an awful lack of faith going on.
If you don't have faith to make it to the water, you sure don't have faith to make it to glory.
I never did that in all the years I have been an 
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