The Slippery Emergent Slope

[Socialite]

Originally Posted by BrotherEastman

the little foxes that spoil the vine.

Little blatherings of nothingness that mean nothing...

[houston]

Originally Posted by Socialite

Little blatherings of nothingness that mean nothing...

Amen, sister!

[aegsm76]

Originally Posted by Socialite

In terms of "the Gospel," yes, believing...

We are asked to trust in God's work, we disobey when we deny that.

That obviously doesn't mean obedience is not part of a believer's DNA, but to the point, no, I view "believing" as more consistent to what "Gospel" represented in the early church in the majority of text.

The examples I remember in the book of Acts involved believing.
But also, involved Baptism and the Holy Ghost.
"Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye BELIEVED?"

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by houston

CRACKERJACK,

I'm just a simple guy... so bear with me. You posted that calvary was for ressurrection. Did the gospel accomplish anything else? Where and/or when is the blood of Christ appropriated to the unfortunate souls that land themselves in hell? "...without the shedding of blood there is no remission."

I believe the book of Hebrews covers this question quite well:


Hebrews 9:25-27 (King James Version)

25Nor yet that he should offer himself often, as the high priest entereth into the holy place every year with blood of others;

26For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.

Hebrews 10:10

By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

The work of the Cross is complete, the blood is not being applied over and over, it was once and for all. The work of salvation is complete, from God's perspective. Man only needs enter into to the salvation, and each will, each in his own time.

When the priest entered the Holy of Holies to apply the blood, once a year, all Israel's sins were covered for another year. Jesus' blood as once and for ALL replaced the "blood of bulls and goats".

[houston]

Originally Posted by crakjak

I believe the book of Hebrews covers this question quite well:


Hebrews 9:25-27 (King James Version)

25Nor yet that he should offer himself often, as the high priest entereth into the holy place every year with blood of others;

26For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.

Hebrews 10:10

By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

CJ,

This addresses the believer today. I'm not going to turn this into a onestep/three step issue, I'll just say this: the blood is appropriated to us when we are saved. This does not address those who reject Christ in the here and now, in this life. I do not comprehend how you can look at the scriptures that you posted and see UR.

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by houston

CJ,

This addresses the believer today. I'm not going to turn this into a onestep/three step issue, I'll just say this: the blood is appropriated to us when we are saved. This does not address those who reject Christ in the here and now, in this life. I do not comprehend how you can look at the scriptures that you posted and see UR.

I was answering YOUR question about when the blood is applied. I was applied once and for all. Scripture declares that God no longer imputes our sins against us, He does however call us to relationship with Christ, and to Godly living.

[houston]

Originally Posted by crakjak

I was answering YOUR question about when the blood is applied. I was applied once and for all. Scripture declares that God no longer imputes our sins against us, He does however call us to relationship with Christ, and to Godly living.

Forgive me for being a nucleus short of a brain cell. I did not articulate well or we are not on the same page. I'm sure it's my fault as I usually post my thoughts before organizing them.

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by crakjak

I was answering YOUR question about when the blood is applied. I was applied once and for all. Scripture declares that God no longer imputes our sins against us, He does however call us to relationship with Christ, and to Godly living.

"*It* was applied"; spellcheck doesn't catch every mistake, does it?

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by houston

Forgive me for being a nucleus short of a brain cell. I did not articulate well or we are not on the same page. I'm sure it's my fault as I usually post my thoughts before organizing them.

Probably, just not on the same page, don't beat yourself up!!

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by onefaith2

How do you obey the death burial and resurrection of Christ? Acts 3:19 says Repent and be converted. Acts 2:38 says Repent and be baptized.. Seems to me that conversion is obedience to the gospel. That doesn't make our response THE gospel.

Paul is the one who said the gospel is the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ.

How is acts 2:38 the gospel?

Acts 2:38 is our response TO the gospel.

Do you deny this?

Sorry for my delayed response. I wanted to think about this before responding.

My first thought was that I read in Mark 16:16 - "He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned."

There is no denying that "believing" must come first, but you can't deny that the scripture says that both will save you. I'm going somewhere with this. So, be patient with me.

I read in Isaiah 35:4 "Say to them that are of a fearful heart, Be strong, fear not: behold, your God will come with vengeance, even God with a recompence; he will come and save you."

I know that God has become my salvation. And so I look at the NT and I find that Jesus comes to Galilee preaching the "Gospel of the Kingdom" and the Word says, "And Jesus went about all Galilee, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing all manner of sickness and all manner of disease among the people." Matthew 4:23

What was the Gospel of the Kingdom? What was He showing us upon his entrance into this world? The "good news" is that the Kingdom has come in power and authority.

Romans 1:16 says, "For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to everyone that believeth, to the Jew first, and also to the Greek." I believe this to also include our "ongoing" salvation and not just our "initial" salvation as we term it.

I Cor 4 has several interesting points being made:

Verse 4 - "nor handling the word of God deceitfully; but by manifestation of the truth."

Verse 5 - "If our Gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost."

Verse 7 - "But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us."

I Thessalonians 1:5 "For our gospel came not unto you in word only, but also in power and in the Holy Ghost."

They are saying that the Gospel includes power that can be seen, just as they did see it when Jesus entered the picture. It wasn't only that he came, was crucified, died and resurrected. But, upon His resurrection, Jesus transferred this power to the New Testament Church. The resurrection is important. (John 15:26)

So, what I see is that God became a man, perfect sacrifice, kinsmen redeemer to end an Old Covenant, ushering in a NT Covenant with demonstration and power. I wonder if we are saying that the Good News is only about his death, burial and resurrection, when the resurrection is what brought the Kingdom to us? That would also be some very good news to me.

What I am trying to say is that I believe the death, burial, resurrection and the message that Peter preached on the day of Pentecost is the message - It is the whole package of the NT Church. Acts tells the whole story of who, what, where, why and how. I can't separate them. They belong together. Belief and obedience is the message. Abraham understood that.