The Slippery Emergent Slope

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by onefaith2

What would you have said if he replied, the Gospel is the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ?

1 Corinthians 15

Our gospel is not acts 2:38, that is our response to the gospel. When did acts 2:38 become the gospel?

Peter preached the gospel in Acts 2 and then in Acts 2:37 the men asked him what shall they do and he told them.

What would you have said if he replied, the Gospel is the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ?

How would you "obey" the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ?

If we are being instructed to "obey the gospel", what are these verses instructing us to do?

"In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:" II Thessalonians


"But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?" Romans 10:16

"For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?" I Peter 4:17

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

How would you "obey" the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ?

If we are being instructed to "obey the gospel", what are these verses instructing us to do?

"In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:" II Thessalonians


"But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?" Romans 10:16

"For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?" I Peter 4:17

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[Socialite]

PO, you've used that verse incessantly and I know, at least for me, I've responded to that point about 6 or 7 times. I would think even a staunch Pentecostal exegete would not reinterpret the Gospel through those verses as a list of commands (trying to squeeze Acts 2:38 into it) instead of an event. So, in light of how the Gospel is presented by the majority of scripture, we should rather be asking, what would "obeying" mean? The answer is in Romans 10, with the quote from Isaiah

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Socialite

PO, you've used that verse incessantly and I know, at least for me, I've responded to that point about 6 or 7 times. I would think even a staunch Pentecostal exegete would not reinterpret the Gospel through those verses as a list of commands (trying to squeeze Acts 2:38 into it) instead of an event. So, in light of how the Gospel is presented by the majority of scripture, we should rather be asking, what would "obeying" mean? The answer is in Romans 10, with the quote from Isaiah

How are you defining the "obeying" in Romans 10 - believe only? Nothing else to obey?

[Socialite]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

How are you defining the "obeying" in Romans 10 - believe only? Nothing else to obey?

In terms of "the Gospel," yes, believing...

We are asked to trust in God's work, we disobey when we deny that.

That obviously doesn't mean obedience is not part of a believer's DNA, but to the point, no, I view "believing" as more consistent to what "Gospel" represented in the early church in the majority of text.

[sandie]

Originally Posted by Apprehended

Should I give you the good news (gospel) or the bad news first?

The bad news is man is lost in this world without hope. He's doomed. Nothing but death and destruction awaits. When he dies, what is there left for him except eternal death. Could I make it more gloomier? It's bad news from start to finish. There's no hope, no promises and no way out.

Now after feeling the despair that originate in that kind of bad news, let us now speak of the good news. Jesus, the Son (Lamb) of God came into the world to take away the sin of the whole world and to save sinners. He became the lamb of God, that through Him and his vicarious suffering and death, he took the penalty that was intended for mankind. He was buried and rose again effecting the whole plan of redemption for all mankind world wide from then henceforth for as long as there are men on the earth. This is the good news (gospel) to the whole world and for all man kind in the general sense.

Well, so what? A lot of good that does for me! So, Jesus died, was buried and rose again. How does that help me?

Good question. I only told you of the good news in the general sense that makes available good news to you as an individual. Now. If you truly believe that with all of your heart, there is good news for you in the specific sense. Are you ready to hear how this can become good news to you? Here is the gospel in the specific sense to you as one individual drawn from the gospel of Jesus Christ in the general sense which you have confessed and believe with your whole heart:

Because you are a sinner, which is your death warrant by which there is an eternal separation from God because of it. The sin question must be settled for you in that specific sense so that you may be absolved of the guilt of sin. To do that, you must appropriate for yourself that which the Lamb of God provided for you by his death, burial and resurrection.

First, you must turn away from your sin. If you were a serial killer. You must stop killing. If you worshiped other Gods, you must now worship the true God, the Lord Jesus Christ, the Alpha and Omega....the Almighty, the eternal one. If you are a fornicator, adulterer, liar, thief, on and on, you must cease from your sin because all sin is the transgression of God's law. This is DEATH to your old man who formerly lived in this world according to the deeds of your flesh.

Then you must show that repentance by going to the water to be buried in the Name of Jesus Christ by which action you not only show forth Christ's death in your own body, you also become identified with His death, burial and resurrection to rise up out of the water to walk in a new life in God.

This, as stated above is the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ both in the general and also the specific sense.

I'm completely blown away by this post!
It doesn't get any better then this in it's easy understandability (hope that's a word).
Thank you, brother.
I'm going to copy and save this.

[Apprehended]

Originally Posted by sandie

I'm completely blown away by this post!
It doesn't get any better then this in it's easy understandability (hope that's a word).
Thank you, brother.
I'm going to copy and save this.

Thank you sister for letting me know that it is a blessing to you.

Each day we should strive to do a golden deed which is living a life for others and to be found pleasing in the sight of God. We cannot earn salvation by those good deeds. We must do them with a certain reward in view. Nevertheless, we should do something good everyday from a pure heart moved by love to our Lord whom we wish so fervently to be pleasing.

[onefaith2]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

How would you "obey" the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ?

If we are being instructed to "obey the gospel", what are these verses instructing us to do?

"In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:" II Thessalonians


"But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?" Romans 10:16

"For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?" I Peter 4:17

How do you obey the death burial and resurrection of Christ? Acts 3:19 says Repent and be converted. Acts 2:38 says Repent and be baptized.. Seems to me that conversion is obedience to the gospel. That doesn't make our response THE gospel.

Paul is the one who said the gospel is the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ.

How is acts 2:38 the gospel?

Acts 2:38 is our response TO the gospel.

Do you deny this?

[BrotherEastman]

the little foxes that spoil the vine.

[houston]

CRACKERJACK,

I'm just a simple guy... so bear with me. You posted that calvary was for ressurrection. Did the gospel accomplish anything else? Where and/or when is the blood of Christ appropriated to the unfortunate souls that land themselves in hell? "...without the shedding of blood there is no remission."