Is there anyone who is Apostolic anymore?

[Sam]

If I follow my pastor as he follows Christ, when he strays from the Word I do not have to follow what he says.

Quite a few years ago in his Sunday night sermon our ALJC pastor said, "The Bible says that a man is supposed to be clean shaven." I spoke out and said, "I'd like for him to show me that Scripture (or something like that)." My wife grabbed my arm and gave me "that look." Husbands and children know what "that look" is. Either the pastor did not hear me or he chose to ignore me and there was no further incident. When we left there after service that night we never came back. That was in the late 1970's. I have not been part of a local OP congregation since.

[Amanah]

I've heard UC preachers preach:
if your Pastor tells you to stand on your head and gargle peanut butter you better do it.
If your Pastor preaches against wearing red, you can't wear red.
You have to wear pantyhose at all times when you leave your house.
Some preached that women can not wear heels, only flats.
I could go on and on but my husband is calling me, be back later.

[BroJoe]

Originally Posted by Sam

Among Apostolics there are differences of opinion about
Acts 2:38
1 God
and
holiness

For example:

I see Acts 2:38 as:
1. get saved
2. get baptized
3. get baptized in the Holy Ghost

I see 1 God as:
we worship one God who has revealed himself as Father, Son, and Holy Ghost without wrangling about persons, personas, personalities, offices, roles, masks, manifestations, offices or kenoomas.

I see holiness as:
Jesus Christ (YHWH_m'kaddesh, the Lord our holiness/sanctification) living in me and imputing and imparting God's holiness to me. I have God's holiness which makes me holy enough to make it. Positionally, I am as holy in the sight of God as His Son Jesus Christ is. I have a duty to pursue/follow holiness or to perfect/grow/mature in holiness by allowing Him to develop in me the fruit of the Spirit and to say "no" to the flesh and to say "yes" to the Spirit (ref Hebrews 12:14; 2 Corinthians 7:1; Galatians 5:16-26; Ephesians 4:22-24)

I would agree with everything you just stated.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Andrew8383

Most of my Sunday school teachers, friends from church, pastors family have all backslid. This is from my childhood not my current church. My current pastor still believes in the old standards and ways, which I love. I'm the Youth Pastor and I know the bible speaks of the great falling away but it makes me so angry to see this. Anyone else notice this in their area?

Got pitch and shittum wood handy?

[Titus2woman]

Originally Posted by Jabez

I am sorry you and probably some others took my post this way. I was not trying to be haughty. When I was his age, I thought I knew it all and I knew nothing. I had to go through a hard trial because I placed too much confidence in man. I learned the hard way, but I survived.

I was merely trying to encourage him to stand on his own two feet with Christ. That's all.

But like some of your posts, my posts may sound haughty, but in my heart it is not meaning to be haughty..just hard to convey in written terms what I am feeling.

I will try to keep in mind James 3:13 in future posts.

I'll give that to you Jabez. The written medium can be a difficult way to express ideas and I am chief among the miserable failures at it sometimes... I guess that what I was trying to convey to you was that while I largely agree with you in many ways you seem to somehow be trying to make an example of one man and his ideas... and I thought it might be time to let that go a little, KWIM? It is OK to to disagree with the principle of a thing without setting up against the person involved... I am sure if you watch me I will blow that somehow even before the week is out... but hey, feel free to call me on it when I do

[Titus2woman]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Got pitch and shittum wood handy?

I'm a tiny bit afraid to ask about that wood...

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Titus2woman

I'm a tiny bit afraid to ask about that wood...

I'm still in the Book!

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Esaias

I'm still in the Book!

Wait! Stop the presses!

It's shittim wood, not shittum wood!

Furthermore, the first ark was GOPHER wood, the SECOND ark was shittim wood.

There, better.

[Esaias]

... which means I'm still in the Book!

(just different chapters...)

[Jabez]

Originally Posted by scotty

Its not what you say, its how you say it. You can believe what you want to, but just because it doesn't line up with someone elses beliefs doesn't make them less mature spiritually. Your basically judging someone elses walk which you have no God given authority to do.

Now, he gave scripture as to what he meant by "following his pastor" . you ignored that and twisted his words to build yourself a soapbox with. So lets try this again.

What is your interpretation and understanding of :

"Obey them that have the rule over you...for they watch for your souls."-
Hebrews 13:17

How is your response to me any different than what you are accusing me of?
How did I twist his words? He said he obeys what his pastor tells him to do. I only responded to what he posted.

If you are quibbling over the term "mature", then it seems that I have crossed your belief system and you are up in airs over it. In fact, maybe overly so. Yet, your response to my post is more disrespectful than you accuse me of.