Is there anyone who is Apostolic anymore?

[Titus2woman]

Is there anyone who is Apostolic anymore?

You know Joe... I see all of us doing backflips to answer your question based on what we consider 'apostolic' or how WE believe you define it...

So release us Joe and tell us, when you asked the above question... EXACTLY what were you asking?... Please give us YOUR definition of Apostolic.

[BroJoe]

Originally Posted by Amanah

BroJoe -
I found your church website by googling your Pastor, I really like that you have scheduled pre-service prayer. It makes a huge difference in the service.

Absolutely. In fact we have Saturday night prayer from 7-8pm for everyone. If we don't pray, we can't expect a move of God.

[scotty]

Originally Posted by Amanah

BroJoe -
I found your church website by googling your Pastor, I really like that you have scheduled pre-service prayer. It makes a huge difference in the service.

Amen. Those in ministry are encouraged to come to pre service prayer.

[BroJoe]

Originally Posted by Titus2woman

Is there anyone who is Apostolic anymore?

You know Joe... I see all of us doing backflips to answer your question based on what we consider 'apostolic' or how WE believe you define it...

So release us Joe and tell us, when you asked the above question... EXACTLY what were you asking?... Please give us YOUR definition of Apostolic.

I umm..never asked that question? I'm not the op of this thread.

I do not have time to get into a detailed explanation. But Acts 2 sums up what apostolic is.

Acts 2:38, 1 God, and holiness.

[Titus2woman]

Originally Posted by BroJoe

I umm..never asked that question? I'm not the op of this thread.

I do not have time to get into a detailed explanation. But Acts 2 sums up what apostolic is.

Acts 2:38, 1 God, and holiness.

Thanks Joe.. I think sometimes we have buzz words that each of us sees a different way... or that trigger certain reactions or even defenses...

I too think of it in an Acts 2:38 way... but am willing to accept others definations as right for them.

Peace to you Bro. Joe.

[Jabez]

Originally Posted by BroJoe

Here's the piece I think a lot of us are missing.

We need to find a Man of God that we want to be obedient to.

Why should we want to be obedient to another man? The only man I want to obey is Jesus!

Originally Posted by BroJoe

I see where contention comes in. If I spent my entire Christian walk running into Churches and Pastors and forcing myself to submit, one day I'll break away. This has to be done because your heart is stirred to submit.

When I see my Pastor preaching, when I see his heart for people, when I see how Christ like he really is, my heart is stirred. I say to myself, "I want to follow that man. I want to have a hold of what he has a hold of."

My pastor is nearly 76 years old. Pastor A. Vince Kelley. Some of you old timers might have heard of him. Has traveled the world numerous times. He took 16mm film to parts of the world you only read about in books and made documentary films about the missionaries there. This man never took a tithe or money from the Church he pastored until his retirement. He started the church from the ground up over 35 years ago.

I could go on and on. But simply. I love my pastor with all my heart. I really do. Makes me emotional when I talk about him because of the impact he has had on my life.

If some of you had known where I was at when I came to God, you might understand the deep impact this man has had on my life. He's taught me how to pray. How to get a hold of God. He's taught me what it means to be a man.

I was so broken, and God is still putting me back together. I'm so glad I have a pastor that loves me.

I'm motivated to obey out of love.

God is amazing.

I know that there are some people I love and have great respect for and that is ok for you to feel this way about your pastor.

We need to realize that they may be great in some aspects, but they are still men. Men are subject to failures, mistakes and flesh.

You are glorying in this man's flesh and what he has done. Paul said in this flesh, there is no good thing. He also said, let no man glory in man. Most people are looking for a man of God to serve and follow. The Gospel of John 1:12 says But as many as received Him, to them gave He power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on His name.

Instead of following and obeying a man of God, you have the capability of becoming a man of God and living on your own spiritual food by following Christ for yourself. See Romans 8:14.

You say that you are motivated to obey out of love. What love are you speaking about? Do you believe that you are obeying Christ by obeying your pastor? Hebrews 13:17 is what you go by? You want to be ruled and not be free. A person who is ruled is not free in Christ.

Perhaps you are correct in that you need to obey a man because you are not ready to receive the things I have to say from the scriptures like Hebrews 5:11-14.

Do not the mistake of saying that every man needs to be in obedience to another man. Also, don't take the obedience to the extent that obedience to man will lead to disobedience to God.



Galatians 4:1-3
Now I say, that an heir that as long as he is a child differeth nothing from a servant, though he be Lord of all;
But is under tutors and governors until the time appointed of the Father
Even so we, when we were children we were in bondage of elements of the world.

My question is...why do you seek to be in bondage to the elements of the world when you have the power to become a man of God?

At one time in my life as a young Holy Ghost filled man, I was you. Now I am mature and set free from an organized church system. If it happens to you like it happened to me, the weaning process from the organized church system will not be pleasant, but necessary for your spiritual growth.

[Titus2woman]

Originally Posted by Jabez

Why should we want to be obedient to another man? The only man I want to obey is Jesus!



I know that there are some people I love and have great respect for and that is ok for you to feel this way about your pastor.

We need to realize that they may be great in some aspects, but they are still men. Men are subject to failures, mistakes and flesh.

You are glorying in this man's flesh and what he has done. Paul said in this flesh, there is no good thing. He also said, let no man glory in man. Most people are looking for a man of God to serve and follow. The Gospel of John 1:12 says But as many as received Him, to them gave He power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on His name.

Instead of following and obeying a man of God, you have the capability of becoming a man of God and living on your own spiritual food by following Christ for yourself. See Romans 8:14.

You say that you are motivated to obey out of love. What love are you speaking about? Do you believe that you are obeying Christ by obeying your pastor? Hebrews 13:17 is what you go by? You want to be ruled and not be free. A person who is ruled is not free in Christ.

Perhaps you are correct in that you need to obey a man because you are not ready to receive the things I have to say from the scriptures like Hebrews 5:11-14.

Do not the mistake of saying that every man needs to be in obedience to another man. Also, don't take the obedience to the extent that obedience to man will lead to disobedience to God.



Galatians 4:1-3
Now I say, that an heir that as long as he is a child differeth nothing from a servant, though he be Lord of all;
But is under tutors and governors until the time appointed of the Father
Even so we, when we were children we were in bondage of elements of the world.

My question is...why do you seek to be in bondage to the elements of the world when you have the power to become a man of God?

At one time in my life as a young Holy Ghost filled man, I was you. Now I am mature and set free from an organized church system. If it happens to you like it happened to me, the weaning process from the organized church system will not be pleasant, but necessary for your spiritual growth.

Beating it to death there a little Jabez? Perhaps Joe is young, perhaps he is young in the Lord or has other reasons for following his pastor... but he is not you and you are not him... To insinuate that you have risen above him in some way is not just unkind but comes across as haughty.

[scotty]

Originally Posted by Titus2woman

Beating it to death there a little Jabez? Perhaps Joe is young, perhaps he is young in the Lord or has other reasons for following his pastor... but he is not you and you are not him... To insinuate that you have risen above him in some way is not just unkind but comes across as haughty.

Exactly !!!

This is what I was talking about. Some people can not have a respectful conversation. Or as Hoovie put it, forum etiqute (or however you spell it)

He did not say he was following his pastor. He gave scripture, "obey those over you"

It is his belief that his pastor is the man God has put over him. What is wrong with that?

If your disrespectful attitude is evidence of the fruit of someone who has taken the road you have decided to take, what makes you think you could possibly convince someone it is the right road?

[Jabez]

Originally Posted by Titus2woman

Beating it to death there a little Jabez? Perhaps Joe is young, perhaps he is young in the Lord or has other reasons for following his pastor... but he is not you and you are not him... To insinuate that you have risen above him in some way is not just unkind but comes across as haughty.

I am sorry you and probably some others took my post this way. I was not trying to be haughty. When I was his age, I thought I knew it all and I knew nothing. I had to go through a hard trial because I placed too much confidence in man. I learned the hard way, but I survived.

I was merely trying to encourage him to stand on his own two feet with Christ. That's all.

But like some of your posts, my posts may sound haughty, but in my heart it is not meaning to be haughty..just hard to convey in written terms what I am feeling.

I will try to keep in mind James 3:13 in future posts.

[Jabez]

Originally Posted by scotty

Exactly !!!

This is what I was talking about. Some people can not have a respectful conversation. Or as Hoovie put it, forum etiqute (or however you spell it)

He did not say he was following his pastor. He gave scripture, "obey those over you"

It is his belief that his pastor is the man God has put over him. What is wrong with that?

If your disrespectful attitude is evidence of the fruit of someone who has taken the road you have decided to take, what makes you think you could possibly convince someone it is the right road?

I do not believe that I am disrespectful.

What I do believe is that no matter what I say, there will always be somebody here who will take offense to what I have to say. I have a lot of Scripture to back up my beliefs. If somebody does not like what I have to say...that is just too bad since disrespect is not in my heart.

I have been in the background studying these forums for awhile. From what I have seen written on these forums, everybody here, with the exception of a few, has given and received their share of disrespect. Some here chastise others for the very same offense they have likewise given to others.

If you have scripture to prove me wrong, then by all means, give it and let's discuss it.