Bro Epley, whydo you require speaking in tongues for salvation when there is no evidence (pun intended )that the 3,000 in Acts 2:41 spoke in tongues, nor the 5,000 of Acts 4:4? Or for that matter, no evidence in 18 of 21 conversion accounts in the book of Acts, and no evidence from the epistles (where tongues is mentioned in only 1 of 21 epistles) that speaking in tongues was a normative and universal experience of early believers?
The "with evidence of other tongues" has been said and repeated so often that I've even heard it added by some who recite Acts 2:38.
The "with evidence of other tongues" has been said and repeated so often that I've even heard it added by some who recite Acts 2:38.
Me too! I had a preacher's wife quote it to me once with the "evidence of other tongues" added to Acts 2:38... I just looked at her in disbelief. It's almost like someone finding out that a saying they thought was in the Bible isn't... like cleanliness is next to godliness ... or... God helps those who help themselves... lol.
Seems I remember seeing a thread on here about sayings that people really truly believe are scripture and are shocked to find out they aren't...
It seems to me that if something gets repeated often enough, people begin to believe it like it was in the Word...
On the birthday of church ALL who recieved the Holy Ghost spoke in tongues Acts 2:4
The Samaritans spoke in tongues. Whe Simon saw..............
The gentiles recieved the LIKE gift the spoke in tongues
The disciples of John spoke in tongues.
Looks like a pattern to me? When it told what they did it says they spoke in tongues.
100 out of 100 times folks who recieve the Holy Ghost speak in tongues.
On the birthday of church ALL who recieved the Holy Ghost spoke in tongues Acts 2:4
The Samaritans spoke in tongues. Whe Simon saw..............
The gentiles recieved the LIKE gift the spoke in tongues
The disciples of John spoke in tongues.
Looks like a pattern to me? When it told what they did it says they spoke in tongues.
100 out of 100 times folks who recieve the Holy Ghost speak in tongues.
What an awesome God to choose this method!
Using that most unruly member of our body!
On the birthday of church ALL who recieved the Holy Ghost spoke in tongues Acts 2:4
The Samaritans spoke in tongues. Whe Simon saw..............
The gentiles recieved the LIKE gift the spoke in tongues
The disciples of John spoke in tongues.
Looks like a pattern to me? When it told what they did it says they spoke in tongues.
100 out of 100 times folks who recieve the Holy Ghost speak in tongues.
This is simply carrying the company line. Its like your trying to hit political talking points. You absolutely didn't address the scripture, which was Acts 2:38-41.
There was a pattern, no one is disputing that, the same manifestation was used for each group, so that the church would be unified. The Jews, Samaritans, and Gentiles spoke in tongues as Peter preached salvation to each group.
100 times out of 100?!! I just mentioned that the overwhelming majority of conversions in Acts don't include tongues.
Bro. Epley, deal with what the scripture really say, instead of a prepackaged reply that you know you can't support with scripture. This is the problem with all you UC brothers, is that you're not willing to honestly look at the scriptures, ya'll don't have a dialouge on what the scriptures actually say or mean. And ya'll can't answer questions, which is why most UCs don't survive in a format like this.
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Ferd I was just curious as to where you stood on the subject.
Honestly before I ever heard LS preach his crazy message I had doubts. Added to the fact that we were getting kicked in the teeth was just more fuel to the fire.
I did not find a new belief system, my eyes were opened to Jesus Christ and Him crucified and that He is full of Grace and Mercy.
I still believe in repentance and one must have a altar of repentance in ones life.
I still believe that Baptism is vital in the life of a believer and all believers in Christ NEED to be Baptized in His death, burial and resurrection.
I still believe that the GIFT of the Holy Ghost with the initial evidence is for all that ask.
I still believe in living a life that is pleasing unto the Lord.
I don't think you know how hard it was for us to leave. It was not easy waiting God to punish us and to pronounce judgment on us and to remove us from the earth and send us to Hell. I don't think you understand the sleepless nights and the anguish thinking that God had turned us over to our own sins. This is what we were being taught and was being preached. Left a really bad taste in my mouth.
We prayed and fasted and sought God and sought His mercies. I have pleaded with God to show me if we are in error. He has confirmed to me over and over again that we have not left His truth. I won't ever go into the different times we have heard the tongues and interpretations at different churches that we had never been to and did not know a soul.
Does God not love us enough that He would show us the error of our ways? My wife and I have the same Holy Ghost inside of us that you yourself posses. He does not love us enough to correct us if we are out of line?
I know the convicting voice of the Father and I know the loving voice of the Father. I would be obedient!
What particular Scripture does this pertain to???
Ferd I take no offence and for what its worth I consider you my brother in Christ
A couple of points.... I think LSs crazy doctrine on hair is damnable heresy. In fact, we are in process of getting a new pastor. In the meeting with prospects, with my current pastor present, I as a board member went over LSs doctrine, and told them this very thing. “damnable heresy” and was quite pointed on the issue so that it was known that holding that belief was an exclusion. I don’t like heresy.
As for not knowing what you have been thru….Well no one really can know what another has gone thru. But I can assure you I have walked some pretty hard miles where church is concerned. I don’t talk about those things often or openly. I may PM you…. But believe me when I say I have seen some things.
My dad and my wife’s dad were board leaders of a particularly nasty church split. That happened the year after we were married. You talk about tears and gut wrenching pain. It was awful. It has been 17 years and the scars are still there. Still there is pain. Still there are awkward moments.
Here is a link to something I wrote some time ago. I think the first part was in 2004. The story goes back about 18 years. Just a bit of perspective. I am not writing from the pristine place of not understanding how painful church business can be. We have seen our (un)fair share.
This is simply carrying the company line. Its like your trying to hit political talking points. You absolutely didn't address the scripture, which was Acts 2:38-41.
There was a pattern, no one is disputing that, the same manifestation was used for each group, so that the church would be unified. The Jews, Samaritans, and Gentiles spoke in tongues as Peter preached salvation to each group.
100 times out of 100?!! I just mentioned that the overwhelming majority of conversions in Acts don't include tongues.
Bro. Epley, deal with what the scripture really say, instead of a prepackaged reply that you know you can't support with scripture. This is the problem with all you UC brothers, is that you're not willing to honestly look at the scriptures, ya'll don't have a dialouge on what the scriptures actually say or mean. And ya'll can't answer questions, which is why most UCs don't survive in a format like this.
my friend you are breaking a cardinal rule by not using the whole context of scripture. Acts 10 clarifies the point. EVERYONE who recieved the HG did so the same way. If I am writing a story, and I refer to an event multiple times I will not give all the detail every single time. Luke did not give every detail every time. BUT He gave plenty of detail and used very clear words. Acts 10:
44 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.
45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.
46 For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter,47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?
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my friend you are breaking a cardinal rule by not using the whole context of scripture. Acts 10 clarifies the point. EVERYONE who recieved the HG did so the same way. If I am writing a story, and I refer to an event multiple times I will not give all the detail every single time. Luke did not give every detail every time. BUT He gave plenty of detail and used very clear words. Acts 10:
44 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.
45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.
46 For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter,47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?
If only oneness pentecostals were as vocal and demanding about the blood of the Lamb of God and redemption as they are about tongues. Tongues has never redeemed a single individual and not a single individual has been redeemed by anything but the blood of the Lamb of God.
On the birthday of church ALL who recieved the Holy Ghost spoke in tongues Acts 2:4
The Samaritans spoke in tongues. Whe Simon saw..............
The gentiles recieved the LIKE gift the spoke in tongues
The disciples of John spoke in tongues.
Looks like a pattern to me? When it told what they did it says they spoke in tongues.
100 out of 100 times folks who recieve the Holy Ghost speak in tongues.
Elder, they also didn't have running water, the pooled their resources, they had home church not "big box church", they wore sandals all the time if they wore shoes at all, they had facial hair, they rode donkey's if they didn't walk everywhere... "Looks like a pattern"... Should we go back to all of that? Nope. It's almost impossible to take writings from 4k years ago and apply them to living today for anything more than good guidelines by which to live, not for a list of sins. Ministers cannot take one scripture here or there to attempt to prove a point or a doctrine. You cannot take Acts 2:38, 39 & ignore Acts 2:21.
I appreciate your conservative beliefs & approach, I truly do. But I have never understood how some individuals can take one scripture to attempt to make a doctrine and seemingly ignore others. I am being serious when I ask this... Can you explain that to me? PM me if you want. I am looking for info - not a debate.
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