Only the blood of Christ can make the sinner righteous. The blood purchased the plan and that plan is Acts 2:38.
Man by good works can never make himself righteous.
Do you believe that God has condemned every man who was part of translating His Word into English?
Don't you believe that God has the authority to say, "I fulfilled all righteousness in the days of my flesh for men crying for light as they lived grasping in the dark."?
Jesus wasn't baptized to fulfill all righteousness for his own sake...but for ours also. He lived and obeyed that which we could not. He fulfilled the Law of God and the plan of God that we might be able to enter in. It's predicated upon Christ's work.
I don't believe we can say with certainty that a non-Apostolic made it to Heaven. However, I cannot say with certainty that they didn't either. Some men presume to have all the answers, know the mind of God, and claim to be qualified to determine who is ultimately saved and who is ultimately damned according to THEIR interpretation of the Scriptures.
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"For I know the plans I have for you, declares the LORD, plans for wholeness and not for evil, to give you a future and a hope." Jeremiah 29:11 (English Standard Version)
Sounds as if you're saying they believe in "a different Jesus" than we do.
If that is the case, why does God fill Trinitarian Pentecostals with the Holy Ghost?
God filled me with the Holy Ghost and I was baptized in Jesus name months before I came into a revelation of the Truth.
God had mercy on my ignorance. I was a seeking soul just wanting to be saved.
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"For I know the plans I have for you, declares the LORD, plans for wholeness and not for evil, to give you a future and a hope." Jeremiah 29:11 (English Standard Version)
God filled me with the Holy Ghost and I was baptized in Jesus name months before I came into a revelation of the Truth.
God had mercy on my ignorance. I was a seeking soul just wanting to be saved.
He did not have nercy on your ignorance He saw your true hunger and He will do the same for ALL who are truly hungry He will send them a Apostolic preacher just like He did in Acts. Are you saying He doesn't have the power or the will? He found you.
He did not have nercy on your ignorance He saw your true hunger and He will do the same for ALL who are truly hungry He will send them a Apostolic preacher just like He did in Acts. Are you saying He doesn't have the power or the will? He found you.
Yes...God saw my hunger...but that's only half the story. Bro...I believed in the Trinity when I was filled with the Holy Ghost. I have news for you...God not only had mercy on that ignorance...but God had mercy on a number of sins. My previous pastor and I have already coverd this ground...don't even try to redefine it. I find that offensive.
"No, what happened to you is...." Bro...how does that sound?
Now do you not only propose to be qualfied to judge the soul...but to define the salvation experience of others?
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"For I know the plans I have for you, declares the LORD, plans for wholeness and not for evil, to give you a future and a hope." Jeremiah 29:11 (English Standard Version)
He did not have nercy on your ignorance He saw your true hunger and He will do the same for ALL who are truly hungry He will send them a Apostolic preacher just like He did in Acts. Are you saying He doesn't have the power or the will? He found you.
This is self-fulfilling prophecy. You can claim that it is always true, even when someone who seems to be sincerely seeking God, and has even convinced himself that he is truly hungry, isn't sent an Apostolic preacher. You can just say no, he wasn't really hungry. He didn't love truth. (I just love it when you guys say that! It explains everything.)
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Hebrews 13:23 Know ye that our brother Timothy is set at liberty
Doing? I thought it was...., well, what you said here:
So, is it righteous to help a stranger change a flat tire, or visit a sick friend in the hospital, or give money to cancer research, etc. etc.? Or is that just filthy rags?
Now, about that point you keep making:
I take it that "the righteous" are those who have "surrendered their lives to Jesus Christ and sincerely trust in what He did for them". They are righteous from that moment on, and this imputed righteousness doesn't wait until baptism and tongues to happen. Right?
And the wicked are those who have not yet surrendered. Right?
Which is why I'm confused by your agreement with Esther's definition. Lots zero-steppers "do what is right", in normal day-to-day life. Things I listed above. Filthy rags, like giving your life for your country (how many of our soldiers that have died in war have gone on to a reward of torment in the lake of fire?). But, I suppose there is only one "right" thing that really counts with God, and that is taking that one step. Fruit of the Spirit doesn't count unless it's a Christian showing it.
Am I getting it now?
Not bad at all! There is only ONE righteous deed that we must trust in to get us to heaven and that is the righteous deed on the cross. We certainly can do "righteous" deeds because they are the right thing to do, but those will NOT get us to heaven.......they can't get us to heaven. If they could, we wouldn't need HIS righteous deed.
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Originally Posted by ChristopherHall
Do you read an "Apostolic Translation" of the Bible?
I AM an apostle!
(in the truest sense of the word)
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"Those who go after the "Sauls" among us often slay the Davids among us." Gene Edwards
If I believed that all who were not Apostolic were indeed going to Hell I wouldn't be able to sing Amazing Grace, How Great Thou Art, read the King James translation of the Bible, attend a church with a steeple, or serve under a pastor who conducted altar calls. ALL are Trinitarian in origin.
Frankly, I think thats a weak and invalid argument. One has nothing to do with another.
Consider the following:
We read books, live in houses, drive cars etc made by people who are atheist, Muslim, etc.
Even some of the stuff you can buy in a Christian bookstore (lexicons, Hebrew commentaries, books on Bible history) might be written by men who are religious skeptics, etc -- men whose hearts are not right with God. But that doesn't prevent us from finding these tools to be useful in our walk with God and service to Him.
Some of the most popular Christian/gospel songs over the years were written by people who who were "in church" but who werent truly "in Christ". But that doesn't prevent the songs from being a blessing.
So the spiritual state of the person who wrote a Christian song, built a church with a steeple, etc is actually not very relevant at all.
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Daniel 12:3 And those who are wise shall shine like the brightness of the firmament; and those who turn many to righteousness, like the stars for ever.
Yes...God saw my hunger...but that's only half the story. Bro...I believed in the Trinity when I was filled with the Holy Ghost. I have news for you...God not only had mercy on that ignorance...but God had mercy on a number of sins. My previous pastor and I have already coverd this ground...don't even try to redefine it. I find that offensive.
"No, what happened to you is...." Bro...how does that sound?
Now do you not only propose to be qualfied to judge the soul...but to define the salvation experience of others?
Bro. Hall I read the Book of Acts and there God always sent a preacher to the hungry. Jesus said "Blessed are they they hunger and thirst..."
I am not being arrogant I just believe the book and where in the book did He just sent the Spirit to the ignorant? It was MORE than ignorance it was bonifide hunger.
Bro. Hall I read the Book of Acts and there God always sent a preacher to the hungry. Jesus said "Blessed are they they hunger and thirst..."
I am not being arrogant I just believe the book and where in the book did He just sent the Spirit to the ignorant? It was MORE than ignorance it was bonifide hunger.
Br Epley tradition is more important than what the bible says to most here. I have a family that moved here and you should hear some of the things that they have been taught and most of it can't be backed up with bible. They say well my pastor said it. Thank God this family is responding to real bible teaching not just some preachers word.
Br Epley tradition is more important than what the bible says to most here. I have a family that moved here and you should hear some of the things that they have been taught and most of it can't be backed up with bible. They say well my pastor said it. Thank God this family is responding to real bible teaching not just some preachers word.
I am finding tradition is just as strong in the UPC as it is in the Baptist and the Catholic.
Some "tradition" is good. But what is best is a true understanding of the Word of God.
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