Me? I think I need to do good things. I don't have to believe that Jesus is doing anything through me.
But my question remains, for you guys, what has to happen for Jesus to feed the hungry (e.g.) through you?
sounds like you dont really belive in the bible. have you just decided no more religion for me? your reply sounds like something a athiest would say.
anyway
a sinner can feed the hungry, with money
a christian does the same, however it doesnt stop there. They also feed them the the word, that leads to eternal life.
Me? I think I need to do good things. I don't have to believe that Jesus is doing anything through me.
But my question remains, for you guys, what has to happen for Jesus to feed the hungry (e.g.) through you?
We have to get self out of the way and stop trying to exert fleshly effort to do good, and ask Christ to inspire and empower us to do so in faith that He actually lives through us. We then cooperate with His Spirit in us and act. Otherwise it is knowledge of good and evil and making ourselves do good.
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Because Children are the future. A better meaning might be offspring. In other words the promise was not just to those there that day, but to the next generation and beyond
Acts2:39, The promise is for you and your children (present tense)and for all who are far off—for all whom the Lord our God will call.” (future tense)
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Children at age 4-6 sinning? Im not sure they do. It all goes back to knowing good and evil. There is no specific age for when that happens. Adam was older than Eve but they both gained that knowledge at the same time. When or what age a child is when that happens only God knows.
Well, take this into consideration. Have you ever seen a mother trying to discipline her 4-8 year old child at grocery store, church, or some type of function? The child then purposely ignores his/her mother, and then you see their father come around the corner and the child practically pees their pants? The father then gives them an instruction and they obey? I've seen that happen multiple upon multiple times.
Do children know good from wrong then, I would assume yes. There's something about their mother's instruction they purposely choose to ignore. They know they should listen, but they don't. Consider God's commandment of honoring your father and mother. Aren't children in direct violation of God's commandment? That is a sin.
I know what you're thinking, the child doesn't know he/she is disobeying God's commandment. I mean, I can understand your point. The child doesn't know they're disobeying God's commandment (committing sin), right? Well, here 's another situation. There's a 21 year old female that has never heard of God, and this female is involved in pornography.
Is this female guilty only of ignorance? Is she rendered sinless because of her lack of knowledge in an existent God and His commandments?
If the 4-8 year old child is sinless after disobeying their parents due to a lack of knowledge of God's word, the female pornography star is also rendered sinless. However, if the female pornography star is guilty of sin after she fornicates, even though she never heard of any God, the child is guilty of sin too.
God is no respecter of persons.
Also take into consideration, Lydia and her household were baptized (Acts 16), the household of Stephanas was baptized (1Corinthians 1), and the Jailer and his household were baptized (Acts 16). I can only assume and say, one of these 3 families had to have a little child. To obey the gospel, you must acknowledge that you're a sinner.
I guess a child is born a sinner because of their condition, being estranged from God. If we were born sinless, God would never suggest of putting his law in our hearts. But our sinful actions are the nature (Ephesians 2:3) of the heart we were born with.
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Acts2:39, The promise is for you and your children (present tense)and for all who are far off—for all whom the Lord our God will call.” (future tense)
The word "children" means offspring. You are someone's child too but I doubt you are a 4 year old arguing you are a sinner going to hell, am I correct?
All "children" indicates here is decedents or offspring not age
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Well, take this into consideration. Have you ever seen a mother trying to discipline her 4-8 year old child at grocery store, church, or some type of function? The child then purposely ignores his/her mother, and then you see their father come around the corner and the child practically pees their pants? The father then gives them an instruction and they obey? I've seen that happen multiple upon multiple times.
Children need to be taught. That is the point in what the bible says. They know not good or evil yet. They need to be taught right from wrong
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Do children know good from wrong then, I would assume yes. There's something about their mother's instruction they purposely choose to ignore. They know they should listen, but they don't. Consider God's commandment of honoring your father and mother. Aren't children in direct violation of God's commandment? That is a sin.
No see that is where good parenting skills come on. Train up a child in the way he should go we are told. Children are clueless when they are young.
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I know what you're thinking, the child doesn't know he/she is disobeying God's commandment. I mean, I can understand your point. The child doesn't know they're disobeying God's commandment (committing sin), right? Well, here 's another situation. There's a 21 year old female that has never heard of God, and this female is involved in pornography.
I can only go by what God says
Gen 3:22 And Jehovah God said, Behold, the man has become as one of Us, to know good and evil. And now, lest he put forth his hand and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live forever,
Deu 1:39 And as for your little ones, who you said would become a prey, and your children, who today have no knowledge of good or evil, they shall go in there. And to them I will give it, and they shall possess it.
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Is this female guilty only of ignorance? Is she rendered sinless because of her lack of knowledge in an existent God and His commandments?
A 21 year old with the mental ability of a child? Or an adult?
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If the 4-8 year old child is sinless after disobeying their parents due to a lack of knowledge of God's word, the female pornography star is also rendered sinless. However, if the female pornography star is guilty of sin after she fornicates, even though she never heard of any God, the child is guilty of sin too.
We don't know at what age a child has knowledge of good or evil, the point remains that a child is not instantly born a sinner
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Also take into consideration, Lydia and her household were baptized (Acts 16), the household of Stephanas was baptized (1Corinthians 1), and the Jailer and his household were baptized (Acts 16). I can only assume and say, one of these 3 families had to have a little child. To obey the gospel, you must acknowledge that you're a sinner.
Argument from silence. We don't know if any of those households had children let alone the ages. She could have had teen aged boys for all we know
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guess a child is born a sinner because of their condition, being estranged from God. If we were born sinless, God would never suggest of putting his law in our hearts. But our sinful actions are the nature (Ephesians 2:3) of the heart we were born with.
Children can't be born sinners, see previous verses.
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Acts2:39, The promise is for you and your children (present tense)and for all who are far off—for all whom the Lord our God will call.” (future tense)
Well, take this into consideration. Have you ever seen a mother trying to discipline her 4-8 year old child at grocery store, church, or some type of function? The child then purposely ignores his/her mother, and then you see their father come around the corner and the child practically pees their pants? The father then gives them an instruction and they obey? I've seen that happen multiple upon multiple times.
Do children know good from wrong then, I would assume yes. There's something about their mother's instruction they purposely choose to ignore. They know they should listen, but they don't. Consider God's commandment of honoring your father and mother. Aren't children in direct violation of God's commandment? That is a sin.
I know what you're thinking, the child doesn't know he/she is disobeying God's commandment. I mean, I can understand your point. The child doesn't know they're disobeying God's commandment (committing sin), right? Well, here 's another situation. There's a 21 year old female that has never heard of God, and this female is involved in pornography.
Is this female guilty only of ignorance? Is she rendered sinless because of her lack of knowledge in an existent God and His commandments?
If the 4-8 year old child is sinless after disobeying their parents due to a lack of knowledge of God's word, the female pornography star is also rendered sinless. However, if the female pornography star is guilty of sin after she fornicates, even though she never heard of any God, the child is guilty of sin too.
God is no respecter of persons.
Also take into consideration, Lydia and her household were baptized (Acts 16), the household of Stephanas was baptized (1Corinthians 1), and the Jailer and his household were baptized (Acts 16). I can only assume and say, one of these 3 families had to have a little child. To obey the gospel, you must acknowledge that you're a sinner.
I guess a child is born a sinner because of their condition, being estranged from God. If we were born sinless, God would never suggest of putting his law in our hearts. But our sinful actions are the nature (Ephesians 2:3) of the heart we were born with.
tell us jacob in your own words please, nothing drawn out, why you think God sends babies to hell. are they little devils? do you hate kids? are you jealous why do you believe God sends them to hell. Just a personal statement
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