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03-14-2013, 10:23 AM
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Re: Bombshell- Considering going back to the UPC
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Originally Posted by Ferd
my friend you are breaking a cardinal rule by not using the whole context of scripture. Acts 10 clarifies the point. EVERYONE who recieved the HG did so the same way. If I am writing a story, and I refer to an event multiple times I will not give all the detail every single time. Luke did not give every detail every time. BUT He gave plenty of detail and used very clear words.
Acts 10:
44 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.
45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.
46 For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter,47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we? |
Thank you, good grief, how obvious is that? 
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03-14-2013, 10:29 AM
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Re: Bombshell- Considering going back to the UPC
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Originally Posted by Ferd
my friend you are breaking a cardinal rule by not using the whole context of scripture. Acts 10 clarifies the point. EVERYONE who recieved the HG did so the same way. If I am writing a story, and I refer to an event multiple times I will not give all the detail every single time. Luke did not give every detail every time. BUT He gave plenty of detail and used very clear words.
Acts 10:
44 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.
45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.
46 For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter,47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we? |
Thank you Ferd. It is so simple. And Jason I have been posting with some of these folks for 10 years. AND having been contending for the SAME views. AND have combated with many much more eloquent than those on here today. Never have ran sometimes just got tired and relaxed for a season but no one who has posted with me through the years will say I am chicken nor do I tip toe around any subject. As YOU acknowledge the pattern is there so in truth the discussion is over.   
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03-14-2013, 10:44 AM
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His Eminance, High Potatohead Potatotate
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Re: Bombshell- Considering going back to the UPC
Ask yourself why Mary the Mother of Jesus needed to be in the Upper Room...
If anyone would have a pass to get into heaven it would have been her...
But yet she and Jesus's own brothers were in the Upper Room and had to be
filled with the Holy Ghost with the evidence of speaking in other tongues...
It is the way God chose to signal to mankind that He indeed was dwelling within them!...
You can't argue with the Bible... 
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03-14-2013, 12:10 PM
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Re: Bombshell- Considering going back to the UPC
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Originally Posted by revrandy
Ask yourself why Mary the Mother of Jesus needed to be in the Upper Room...
If anyone would have a pass to get into heaven it would have been her...
But yet she and Jesus's own brothers were in the Upper Room and had to be
filled with the Holy Ghost with the evidence of speaking in other tongues...
It is the way God chose to signal to mankind that He indeed was dwelling within them!...
You can't argue with the Bible... |
The ONLY Apostle who did NOT speak in tongues was Judas. The Gentiles recieved the LIKE(same in quanity and quality)gift they spoke in tongues and those who came from Joppa with Peter knew that recieved because they heard them speak with tongues AS IT FELL ON US AT THE BEGINNING.
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03-14-2013, 12:17 PM
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His Eminance, High Potatohead Potatotate
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Re: Bombshell- Considering going back to the UPC
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Originally Posted by Steve Epley
The ONLY Apostle who did NOT speak in tongues was Judas. The Gentiles recieved the LIKE(same in quanity and quality)gift they spoke in tongues and those who came from Joppa with Peter knew that recieved because they heard them speak with tongues AS IT FELL ON US AT THE BEGINNING.
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That's Bible...
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03-14-2013, 12:23 PM
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Re: Bombshell- Considering going back to the UPC
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Originally Posted by Steve Epley
The ONLY Apostle who did NOT speak in tongues was Judas. The Gentiles recieved the LIKE(same in quanity and quality)gift they spoke in tongues and those who came from Joppa with Peter knew that recieved because they heard them speak with tongues AS IT FELL ON US AT THE BEGINNING.
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That's Bible...
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Do either of you think if Judas had spoken in tongues he wouldn't have met the fate he eventually met?
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03-14-2013, 12:26 PM
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Re: Bombshell- Considering going back to the UPC
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Do either of you think if Judas had spoken in tongues he wouldn't have met the fate he eventually met?
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He could have repented as Peter repented...but choose to take his own life...
Judas sold Christ...
Peter denied Christ...
Either way I think Judas knew he was a dead man...the Sanhedrin wouldn't let him live with the illegal way things went down...
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03-14-2013, 01:06 PM
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Re: Bombshell- Considering going back to the UPC
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Originally Posted by revrandy
He could have repented as Peter repented...but choose to take his own life...
Judas sold Christ...
Peter denied Christ...
Either way I think Judas knew he was a dead man...the Sanhedrin wouldn't let him live with the illegal way things went down...
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Yet is was all in God's plan.
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03-14-2013, 03:48 PM
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Repent and believe the Gospel!
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Re: Bombshell- Considering going back to the UPC
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Prax I am not sure but I think it depends on what mood he was in.
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BAPTISMAL REGENERATION
NO. 573
DELIVERED ON SUNDAY MORNING, JUNE 5, 1864,
BY THE REV. C. H. SPURGEON,
AT THE METROPOLITAN TABERNACLE, NEWINGTON.
I find that the great error which we have to contend with throughout England (and it is growing more and more), is
one in direct opposition to my text—well known to you as the doctrine of baptismal regeneration. We will confront this
dogma with the assertion that BAPTISM WITHOUT FAITH SAVES NO ONE. The text says, “He who believes and is
baptized shall be saved,” but whether a man is baptized or not, it asserts that, “he who believes not shall be damned,” so
that Baptism does not save the unbeliever, no, it does not in any degree exempt him from the common doom of all the
ungodly! He may have Baptism, or he may not have Baptism—if he believes not—he shall be in any case most surely
damned! Let him be baptized by immersion or sprinkling—in his infancy, or in his adult age—if he is not led to put his
trust in Jesus Christ—if he remains an unbeliever, then this terrible doom is pronounced upon him—“He who believes
not shall be damned.” I am not aware that any Protestant Church in England teaches the doctrine of baptismal regeneration except one, and that happens to be the corporation which with none too much humility calls itself the Church of England.
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03-14-2013, 07:08 PM
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Re: Bombshell- Considering going back to the UPC
All of this doctrinal point is moving this thread off point. The real pertinent question is will Jason actually get off his rear end and visit the UPC church he has started a threat about possibly joining?
At this point the thread seems very premature and more of a tease than anything.
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"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
Quote from Ethel Goss (widow of 1st UPC Gen Supt. Howard Goss) book "The Winds of God"
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