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Old 05-26-2010, 10:57 AM
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LOL Dont get excited I said pick one out not pick one up!
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Not really... except for the isolated Ethiopian Coptic church.
Two is more than one.

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The Roman Catholic Church accepts portions of the OT Apocrypha as canonical but not at the same level as the books which had "full assent" since the First Century. They recognize the historic uncertainty of this works. The fact that even the Protestant reformers behind the KJV still held a high regard for this same material and included it in the KJV shows the depths of those feelings.

Accepting uncertainty is a primary element of faith. There is uncertainty about portions of the Apocrypha. There are even more element of uncertainty about our faith. Only fundamentalists and atheists will assert absolute certainty... "birds of a feather..."
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Old 05-26-2010, 11:08 AM
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its has been fun...and i do hope you join in more discussions. it takes many perspectives to get a balanced view.

Keep seeking truth!!
PF handled himself well, and he was sort of "jumped on," too - but not in a hostile sense. It was really more of an enthusiastic display.

Though this one is winding down, I have questions about the "cut hair prostitutes of Artemus" that were mentioned. I've seen some of the references to several older Bible commentaries and dictionaries. One thing that I have never seen however, is Artemis or any of her female courtiers with "short hair." They are always depicted with long hair, usually styled in braids and worn "up" - but unmistakably "long."

Here's Artemis from a painted vase:
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Hi Proudfather - I'm proud too!

I don't agree with your statement about "why are we suddenly confused" about the uncut hair issue. I noticed that the quote you shared from the NLT didn't even mention uncut hair.

Historically, this is really a "new issue" among Apostolics. The farthest back I've been able to even trace the teaching is a 1937 article by S.G. Norris. My own family, which traces Apostolic roots back to GT Haywood and Howard Goss' ministries didn't stop trimming their hair until the social upheavals of the 1960s' were taking place.

Holiness not only "matters," it is essential. Adding the "uncut hair" doctrine to the apostle's doctrine however, is not "holiness" - IMHO. It's a bit profane.

The Word of God and the teachings of the First Century apostles are something that is very HOLY to me. This is sacred ground. Let's not bring in the "sacred cows" and others beasts from the world to trammel the Holy Place.
I wanted to address the uncut hair issue and S.G. Norris. Even if he believed that women should have uncut hair he did not teach it as an absolute. My grandmother went to ABI early 1940s, I think. She was not taught uncut hair and the UPC church in MN that my mother grew up in did not teach uncut hair until the 1970s. My mother attended ABI in the late 1960s and there were women there with cut hair and it was not an issue. So, even if S.G. Norris believed it, it was not taught and was not a requirement at ABI, at least up to the point that my parents attended in the late 1960s.
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At this point I am the only cons. in this discussion. Either the other cons. have better things to do, or their too scared to say anything. I have done my best to answer questions, but so many are coming in at this point that I can't keep up with them. No wonder other cons. have left this forum. I will stick around, and hopefully my next post will be a little more popular. Someone has to close this discussion so I will bow out gracefully. While I could answer all of the questions posted, I don't really see the point. We've all made up our minds about what we believe. Thanks for the debate though. It was fun.
Glad you are sticking around...sorry we bombarded you with questions. As you can see, many of us have had this debate before and we really all want to do what God wants! Glad you are here on AFF!
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I wanted to address the uncut hair issue and S.G. Norris. Even if he believed that women should have uncut hair he did not teach it as an absolute. My grandmother went to ABI early 1940s, I think. She was not taught uncut hair and the UPC church in MN that my mother grew up in did not teach uncut hair until the 1970s. My mother attended ABI in the late 1960s and there were women there with cut hair and it was not an issue. So, even if S.G. Norris believed it, it was not taught and was not a requirement at ABI, at least up to the point that my parents attended in the late 1960s.
Thank you, Prag. That is excellent information.
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Now you're talking out of both sides of your mouth. You're the one who wanted to use harlots to discuss makeup.

If makeup is wrong because harlots wore it, so is elaborate hair, hair do-dads, sheer stockings, high heels, etc. etc. etc.
Meh, I'm pretty sure I've seen a great number of harlots with long apostolic hair and that wore dresses all the time. I suppose we should be consistent and avoid those practices since there are harlots that dress that way...
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Heb 12:14 Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord:

Following peace with all men is still just as important as holiness.
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I totally agree with this threads title. Holiness is STILL important.
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