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mfblume · #**251** 09-15-2008, 10:26 AM

We must be aware that Paul's teachings about overcoming sin may not be fully understood by any of us. It is that deep. If we think we know what Paul said, and we came to our own conclusions, then we missed it. That man simply was extremely deep beyond what any of us know, I believe. But that certainly does not mean we cannot come to fully understand it, for sure.

Therefore, I think we should be open to the idea that learning this issue takes years, and if we only scanned it some, we should realize we most likely are completely unaware of the point.

One author said that his teacher told him to never think of writing a book about Romans until you've studied it for at least ten years.

Jack Shephard · #**252** 09-15-2008, 10:28 AM

I don't think the HG will kill someones temptations by itself. I am not saying it doesn't have the power to though. It can be attributed to one hold on to an issue, no matter the issue. I know people freed from all sorts of things and I know people that can not get delivered from a bad attitude. Being or thinking one is gay and acting on it is two different things. Though the HG is powerful enough to deal with and destroy anything it will not destroy what one is not willing to give up.

God is soverign and will give His spirit to whomever He wants. I have heard for years things like "if you have marriage issues pray til you talk in tongues and that will take care of it" and the same with finance issues. I am being honest and saying there were issues that I faced that I would talk in tongues over for hours and still deal with them, but until I heard teaching about dealing with these issues and how to #1 realizing failure is normal, but God's grace gives us the ability to get over these things and #2 that we can only fight over things that are close to us and that one can not get ride of issues if they are still holding on and fighting them in their flesh.

This is the reason couple can sit through a HG shockamoo service, dance and fall out in the spirit and still go home and throw dishes and telephones at one another. Divorce in the church is as high as out of the church which shows there is a thin line between the churched and unchurched at times. The HG make a difference in ones life but if the person doesn't allow the HG to fully work then the HG will not destroy all it can due the our hands holding on to issues. The HG is a gentleman and will not over step its welcome boundaries..IMO

Sister Alvear · #**253** 09-15-2008, 10:28 AM

Through (fallible) human authors, God manifested His words to us.

Sister Alvear · #**254** 09-15-2008, 10:29 AM

2 Timothy 3:16 teaches that the entire Bible is inspired by God.

Sister Alvear · #**255** 09-15-2008, 10:29 AM

gotta go got a class to teach..

mfblume · #**256** 09-15-2008, 10:30 AM

Say what ye will, but I fully believe we do have God's Word today, and God preserved it for us in this century and beyond as much as He inspired it in the beginning.

Michlow · #**257** 09-15-2008, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by JTULLOCK

This is the reason couple can sit through a HG shockamoo service, dance and fall out in the spirit and still go home and throw dishes and telephones at one another. Divorce in the church is as high as out of the church which shows there is a thin line between the churched and unchurched at times. The HG make a difference in ones life but if the person doesn't allow the HG to fully work then the HG will not destroy all it can due the our hands holding on to issues. The HG is a gentleman and will not over step its welcome boundaries..IMO

I had someone tell me that the reason I left the UPC (like 18 months ago, BTW) and changed my views (I believe they used backslid) was simply so that I could get a divorce now.

Carpenter · #**258** 09-15-2008, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Michlow

This is where I stand right now:

I believe the Bible to be written by Men, good men, who loved God, and wrote down their stories and experiences that occured during their quest for a relationship with God. I do believe that it can be inspiried, just as a sermon, a song, or a poem can be inspired. But I do not believe that all parts of it are inspired, nor do I believe it to be infallible.

I believe it to be largely influenced by the cultural, the times, and the gender of the writers.

But I do believe that it has a purpose. Not only a historical purpose. But it is the best written account we have of Jesus.

But I believe that it is the Spirit that is to lead us, guide us, teach us, comfort us, etc. (not the book).

I do believe that the book contains a lot of wisdom.

This not what the bible says...

SDG · #**259** 09-15-2008, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Michlow

I had someone tell me that the reason I left the UPC (like 18 months ago, BTW) and changed my views (I believe they used backslid) was simply so that I could get a divorce now.

Sometimes people can be so insensitive, Mich ....

They're clueless .... ridiculous conspiracy theory, that's for sure ...

Jack Shephard · #**260** 09-15-2008, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Michlow

I had someone tell me that the reason I left the UPC (like 18 months ago, BTW) and changed my views (I believe they used backslid) was simply so that I could get a divorce now.

Well that is the reason then. What a joke. Some people think they are the authority on certain things and only thing they prove is how foolish they do. Professing themselves wise they became fools. Leaving church does not alway directly affect a marriage though it can happen. It is amazing that often times those in the ship can't see out side the ship because of the ship. If you know what I mean.