The Cross of Christ Alone Can Save - Page 28

pelathais · #**271** 03-31-2010, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by mfblume

Sounds like people are going to believe what they initially stated in this thread, and nothing said can change them. So why discuss it? lol

Because it's the power of God unto salvation? (Romans 1:16-18).

I don't flatter myself by thinking that I could change anybody's mind who is hard headed enough to jump into a fray, but there are others that wonder and have questions. Given the nature of the fellowships many of us have been through, I know asking questions isn't really encouraged in a lot of places.

So, I'll chime in. Salvation is a free gift. You can't work for it because you didn't even deserve the chance to earn it in the first place.

Romans 5:15-19 (NKJV)

But the free gift is not like the offense. For if by the one man's offense many died, much more the grace of God and the gift by the grace of the one Man, Jesus Christ, abounded to many.

And the gift is not like that which came through the one who sinned. For the judgment which came from one offense resulted in condemnation, but the free gift which came from many offenses resulted in justification.

For if by the one man's offense death reigned through the one, much more those who receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness will reign in life through the One, Jesus Christ.)

Therefore, as through one man's offense judgment came to all men, resulting in condemnation, even so through one Man's righteous act the free gift came to all men, resulting in justification of life.

For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so also by one Man's obedience many will be made righteous.

Neck · #**272** 03-31-2010, 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Strawman alert!

No one has suggested taking the cross out of Christianity. Its JESUS who saves not the cross.

Whatever he says about being saved or being a Christian would be correct. He obviously says there is more.

The apostle John made this statement:

8: And there are three that bear witness in earth, the spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one. 1 John 5:8

They agree to do what?

Save us. Make us a new creation.

Paul wanted to know Jesus Christ and him Crucified, there is no power in the "Name of Jesus" without the Cross. Jesus would have been a sinless man who then did not complete the purchase for man's sins.... The Cross of Calvary is the defining act of the 'Ages'.

Jeffrey · #**273** 03-31-2010, 08:14 PM

Free gift. Free gift. Free gift.

I don't make you jump through hoops to give you a free gift. It's yours!

Dr. Paul of Tarsus, thy words are powerful.

Jeffrey · #**274** 03-31-2010, 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Neck

Paul wanted to know Jesus Christ and him Crucified, there is no power in the "Name of Jesus" without the Cross. Jesus would have been a sinless man who then did not complete the purchase for man's sins.... The Cross of Calvary is the defining act of the 'Ages'.

And in light of the upcoming Easter celebration, the cross was validated at the Resurrection. We were not just justified, but now we have a future!

Neck · #**275** 03-31-2010, 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeffrey

And in light of the upcoming Easter celebration, the cross was validated at the Resurrection. We were not just justified, but now we have a future!

Amen!

*AQuietPlace* · #**276** 03-31-2010, 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeffrey

I always said we didn't deserve it, but deep down inside I felt I was earning it. It was an "I'll pay you back" to God. I would have never articulated that, but that's how it was growing up. When it hit me that I didn't deserve, couldn't earn it, and He loved me still, I still remember how overwhelmed I was. It was even more powerful than the day I was baptized in the Spirit. My heart was anew. My relationship took on a new fervor. I was freed from chains I put on myself that He never intended.

Hoovie · #**277** 03-31-2010, 08:36 PM

I love that last verse Pel!

19 For as by one man’s disobedience many were made sinners, so also by one Man’s obedience many will be made righteous.

Jeffrey · #**278** 03-31-2010, 08:46 PM

You know what's funny about Paul? As smart as he was, and as prophetic a gift he had as an Apostle of the church, his hermeneutics were pretty sloppy at times! lol I think he'd flunk any of our university's Hermeneutics 101! Seriously... proof-texting nightmares, symbolism where he wished. Very much an ad hoc theologian. But we get his point quite clearly, so thankfully he was clear in that.