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Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam
Originally Posted by Pliny
Since you once again failed to document your assertion it’s left up to the reader to determine what you are inventing this time. It seems to me you are trying to establish a premise by the logical fallacy known as “argument ad populum”. This is the belief that it must be true because it’s popular. The people of Noah’s day found out the hard way about that kind of nonsensical logic.
Posted By WII
Did I invent something? I will file the patent immediately.
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Too late for that. Muhammad already beat you to it.
“He who makes peace between the people by inventing good information or saying good things, is not a liar.” (Bukhari vol.3:857 p.533)
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Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam
Originally Posted by Pliny
Maybe you should look up what a theory laden observation is. You are a classic example.
The text does not give her age. It does let us know she was physically able to water 10 camels after a long journey. Since I documented earlier this is up to 20 gallons she would have had to bring up to 200 gallons of water for the camels alone. She went to the well alone. She was fully cognizant of her family’s state of affairs by knowing they could take care of Abraham’s servants and the animals with him.
Posted By WII
Maybe you should look up what a theory laden observation is. You are basing your conclusion on the assumption that each and every camel was filled up with the maximum amount of water that a camel can hold. Ever seen a camel? They abound here.
When their handlers give them water they don't give them "20 gallons each". LOL
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Once again misrepresenting what I said… Nothing new. Thanks for confirming the title of this thread.
Here is what
I said (01 04 2015 06:06 PM):
Note: this is called documenting an assertion…
“Naturally common sense demands that a marriage covenant be between two people of sufficient age and maturity to enter into the covenant. Well unless you’re the “messenger of god” (according to islam). Once again going back to the scripture you referred to about Rebekah. The text makes it clear she was of a mature age physically and mentally. She was able to not only go to a well by herself and take back enough water for the family for the day. She was also physically able to draw water for the camels of Abraham’s servant. That is no small task concerning the amounts of water camel’s drink!
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They drink large amounts of water up to 20 gallons at a time.”
http://www.loc.gov/rr/scitech/mysteries/camel.html
They drink till their satiated which
scientifically is up to 20 gallons. Which is exactly what I said.
Hopefully they have an elementary school “over there”. Perhaps you could try to get some help with reading comprehension. I would say get some help with intellectual honesty but that does not seem to be a very high character trait among muslims.
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Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam
Originally Posted by Pliny
ROTFL! Secondly you definitely need to find a Bible believing church somewhere and start learning proper exegesis. It’s abundantly clear all you have is an agenda.
Matthew 23:3
For they say and do not (legousin kai ou poiousin). “As teachers they have their place, but beware of following their example” (Bruce). So Jesus said: “Do not ye after their works “ (mē poieite). Do not practice their practices. They are only preachers. Jesus does not here disapprove any of their teachings as he does elsewhere. The point made here is that they are only teachers (or preachers) and do not practice what they teach as God sees it.
See how easy that was? So easy even a cave man can do it. Unless that cave man has an agenda…
Posted By WII
An agenda like say twisting verses to mean one thing when they actually, in
multiple versions and translations, say the opposite thing? I am thinking you are not quite the caveman you think you are.
NIV sez
2 “The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat. 3 So you must be careful to do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach.
Auth "queen james version" sez
2 saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat: 3 all therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.
Young's literal translation sez
2 saying, `On the seat of Moses sat down the scribes and the Pharisees;
3 all, then, as much as they may say to you to observe, observe and do, but according to their works do not, for they say, and do not;
OH and "queen james" version (appears there is an authorized one and another one for the regular folks LOL):
Saying The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat:
3 All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.
You already got the clever little link. Go back to where I sent you to bible study if you have difficulty finding this again.
Summary: Those who developed the Talmud WERE the ministry and Jesus validated that.
Which is what I said. In a week or so, or even if this goes to 10,000 pages, you will eventually admit that too, like you (good God FINALLY already) admitted that there is no minimum age for marriage in the bible.
This is, of course and naturally, in conflict (with)your earlier "look how much worse you are than me" declarations.
Sez you to me: "The Bible is in perfect harmony with itself. It needs no other standard. You, on the other hand, prefer to torture the text to make it say what
you want to say"
Were you being deliberately or accidentally deceptive in the pompous declaration above? Do you tell fibbies then forget what you said? Do you and "your special friend Bruce" develop your own translations for yourselves?
Perhaps you should not play "cavemen with Bruce" alone at home anymore.
ADVICE: When you do play "caveman with Bruce" at home keep it to yourself, don't publicly giggle while you are doing it, be consistent if you are going to tell fibs, and post pics elsewhere!
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“Summary”
1) You apparently can’t make up your mind if you believe the Jews practiced marriages to three year olds or not. You said above:
a. “I will save you the research and show you how those who lived under and practiced these laws interpreted them.”
i. This is a declarative statement.
b. “I never tried to "prove" that Rebekah was three years old.”
i. You tried to prove how “those who lived under and practiced these laws interpreted them”.
c. “I can't "make" anything other than what it historically is however the 3-yr-old thing cannot be traced either to Texas or Islam”
i. The implication is that it can be traced elsewhere – Judaism.
You appear conflicted. Which is it?
2) You often misrepresent what has been posted.
a. How many false assertions have been made concerning what you claim I said? Too many to count. Must be why you fail to document your assertions.
3) You continue to miserably fail to document your assertions.
4) You apparently do not know how to spell a simple word like “says”. You spelled it “sez”. This after insulting someone else’s typo of “mush” for “much”. There were others as well. In Christianity this would be called hypocrisy.
5) You have no understanding of hermeneutics or exegesis. This is witnessed above.
6) Those who developed the Talmud were Rabbi’s not necessarily Levites. Come on keep up. No minister has the right to change the Bible. I understand your dilemma. It takes common sense to understand this…
7) LOL – Jesus validated the Talmud ROTFL!!! That’s a good one! You do know when it was written don’t you?
Here is a quote for you (this will also help you learn how to document your assertions. Of course this also demands that your assertions be correct LOL):
“In his early years Rabbi Judah, the son of the Patriarch Simon ben Gamaliel II, traveled to the scattered yeshivas and it grieved him to observe this disunity and schism. It would seem that in place of one Torah there were several Torahs, each in contradiction with the others. What was kosher in one yeshiva was not in another; what was clean and permitted in one place was unclean and prohibited in another.
It was then that Rabbi Judah conceived the idea of collecting all laws and discussions concerning them and arranging them in one systematic code.”
The Talmud, An Analytical Guide to its History and Teachings, Isaac Unterman, Bloch Publishing Company, New York, Third Printing 1971, P 59
This was in the second century AD. LOL. There was no Talmud when Jesus walked the earth to “validate”. ROTFL!!!
Grasping at straws once again..
8) And there you go once again making an assertion without documentation. You stated:
a. “like you (good God FINALLY already) admitted that there is no minimum age for marriage in the bible.” Another false claim by you.
I guess that’s okay in islam. Invent whatever saying you want. Well fortunately there is another “universe” where people actually request real scholarship.
9) Now to your other failed assertion about my “pompous declaration”. The Bible is indeed in perfect harmony with itself. Thanks for underscoring your lack of understanding hermeneutical and exegetical principles. We already understood this from your multitudes of eisegesis examples. Don’t know any Bruce. You must be referring to A. T. Robertson, the renowned Greek scholar that wrote Robertson’s Word Pictures. You do understand he was a well-known and highly respected Greek scholar right? Apparently not. But thanks for demonstrating your lack of reading comprehension once again and your memory problem.
Here is a portion of what he said:
a. “The point made here is that they are only teachers (or preachers) and do not practice what they teach as God sees it.”
Here is what the NIV says:
b. “But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach.”
Hmmm… Seems like the translators made the same observation as A. T. Robertson. LOL!
10) Muhammad was a pedophile. His consummation of his marriage to Aisha when she was nine years old is well known and common knowledge.
11) The quran states that he had an “exalted character”.
a. Surah 68. AlQalam: “4. And verily, you (O Muhammad) are on an exalted (standard of) character.”
12) The quran states that his example is a “good example” to follow.
a. Surah 33. AlAhzab: “21. Indeed in the Messenger of Allah (Muhammad) you have a good example to follow for him who hopes for (the Meeting with) Allah and the Last Day, and remembers Allah much.”
13) Mohammedans across the globe follow that example and are pedophiles because it, pedophilia, is inherent within that depraved religion.
a. “Marrying a young girl before she reaches the age of adolescence is permitted in sharee’ah; indeed it was narrated that there was scholarly consensus on this point.
i. (a) Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning): “And those of your women as have passed the age of monthly courses, for them the ‘Iddah (prescribed period), if you have doubt (about their periods), is three months; and for those who have no courses [(i.e. they are still immature) their ‘Iddah (prescribed period) is three months likewise” [alTalaaq 65:4]
ii. In this verse we see that Allaah has made the ‘iddah in the case of divorce of a girl who does not have periods – because she is young and has not yet reached puberty – three months. This clearly indicates that Allaah has made this a valid marriage.”
14) You have miserably failed to demonstrate any kind of “moral equivalency” because there is none.
15) You continue to defend the pedophilia of your prophet and other Mohammedans.
16) What a depraved religion you have.
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