Do OPs have a grace problem?

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by seekerman

I'm simply attempting to get oneness pentecostals to discuss the redeeming blood of the Lamb of God.

I have done so and do so regularly. Now have some integrity and deal with what has been presented to you.

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by seekerman

No, you're the guy who deleted the meaning of the word "eis". Here is is again...

eis
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A primary preposition; to or into (indicating the point reached or entered), of place, time, or (figuratively) purpose (result, etc.); also in adverbial phrases.: - [abundant-] ly, against, among, as, at, [back-] ward, before, by, concerning, + continual, + far more exceeding, for [intent, purpose], fore, + forth, in (among, at unto, -so much that, -to), to the intent that, + of one mind, + never, of, (up-) on, + perish, + set at one again, (so) that, therefore (-unto), throughout, till, to (be, the end, -ward), (here-) until (-to), . . . ward, [where-] fore, with. Often used in composition with the same general import, but only with verbs (etc.) expressing motion (literally or figuratively.

I deleted something? Yet another lie. A man who lies constantly wants to talk about the blood of Christ? Really?

[Originalist]

Perhaps you are confusing being redeemed by the blood with being washed in the blood.

[seekerman]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

The point was is what place does that have in salvation if any?

You seem to separate it from salvation and make it something everyone is (Redeemed) right now before faith...

is that true?

I'm attempting to determine when and how a person is redeemed by the blood of the Lamb of God in oneness pentecostal theology.

[seekerman]

Originally Posted by Originalist

The only way that the universal redemption counts personally for anyone is when they are born again of the Spirit, which was the whole purpose of the redemption the blood made possible. So there is your answer. ALL are redeemed( ransomed, purchased) by the blood. As purchased possessions, God is their rightful owner. Those who personally submit to this will be marked as having accepted God as their rightful owner by God himself coming to reside in them as described by Paul in Ephesians chapter one.

Your answer is contradictory. All are redeemed by the blood, but not really until they are born again of the Spirit?


Im assuming by your answer that the redeeming blood redeems an individual when they speak in tongues but were already redeemed before that?

[seekerman]

Originally Posted by Originalist

I deleted something? Yet another lie. A man who lies constantly wants to talk about the blood of Christ? Really?

Go back to my post defining 'eis'. You'll find you deleted my strongs definition.

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by seekerman

Your answer is contradictory. All are redeemed by the blood, but not really until they are born again of the Spirit?


Im assuming by your answer that the redeeming blood redeems an individual when they speak in tongues but were already redeemed before that?

My answer was not contradictory at all. The fact that all men were purchased by God via the blood does not negate the fact they must individually submit to him.

[seekerman]

Originally Posted by Originalist

Perhaps you are confusing being redeemed by the blood with being washed in the blood.

No, I'm speaking using scriptural terms. Redeemed by the blood is directly from scripture.

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by seekerman

The Spirit of truth is what leads and guides us to all truths, per scripture.

Joh 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

So let's be clear here. You think the Spirit only "leads to truth" but plays no active role in regeneration? Is that what you are saying? I just want to be clear.

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by seekerman

Go back to my post defining 'eis'. You'll find you deleted my strongs definition.

No I deleted nothing. What madness.