We know it's talking about the WORD and the word was GOD and the WORD became flesh (Jesus), That's what I said.
Need those verses again?
Joh 1:14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth. Joh 1:15 (John bore witness about him, and cried out, "This was he of whom I said, 'He who comes after me ranks before me, because he was before me.'") Joh 1:16 And from his fullness we have all received, grace upon grace. Joh 1:17 For the law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.
Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. Joh 1:2 He was in the beginning with God. Joh 1:3 All things were made through him, and without him was not any thing made that was made. Joh 1:4 In him was life, and the life was the light of men.
Joh 1:14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth. Joh 1:15 (John bore witness about him, and cried out, "This was he of whom I said, 'He who comes after me ranks before me, because he was before me.'") Joh 1:16 And from his fullness we have all received, grace upon grace. Joh 1:17 For the law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.
Verse 2 is a false translation...the word HE is not the actual translation. The words "the same"are the correct translation (KJV). You are using one of those "fake" bibles here bro...
If you read the KJV, God, through His WORD(Logos) made all things, then Jesus was made(created) in verse 14.
Verse 2 is a false translation...the word HE is not the actual translation. The words "the same"are the correct translation (KJV). You are using one of those "fake" bibles here bro...
If you read the KJV, God, through His WORD(Logos) made all things, then Jesus was made(created) in verse 14.
Actually the pronoun is Houtos and is a masculine demonstrative pronoun.
Your KJV translates it "He" in several places Luk 1:32He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:
And here translates it as "The same" to refer to Nicodemus Joh 3:1 There was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews: Joh 3:2The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him.
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Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
Every sinner must repent of their sins.
That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
Actually the pronoun is Houtos and is a masculine demonstrative pronoun.
Your KJV translates it "He" in several places Luk 1:32He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:
And here translates it as "The same" to refer to Nicodemus Joh 3:1 There was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews: Joh 3:2The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him.
I follow you there, but "the same" is speaking of the Word(logos), or God in verse 2. Inserting "He" there gives it a "Jesus" slant and establishes a trinitarian point of view.
For instance...
In the beginning was the Word(Jesus), and the Word(Jesus) was with God, and the Word(Jesus) was God.
2 The same(Jesus) was in the beginning with God.
Now here is the other view...
In the beginning was the Word(LOGOS,Spoken Word), and the Word(SpokenWord) was with God, and the Word(Spoken Word) was God.
2 The same(referring to Spoken Word, masculine of course) was in the beginning with God.
14 And the Word(Spoken Word) was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
God and his word are inseparable...His word "spoke" everything into existence, including Jesus. His word creates stuff as we see in Genesis.
This in not true. If it were true,
you would show me the verse,
that contained these words "Jesus is the Word".
It is not written in the bible, "Jesus is the Word".
How come you cannot admit this?
as I told you, You just quoted me quoting the verses you asked for. Do I really need to help you out here?
Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. Joh 1:2 He was in the beginning with God. Joh 1:3 All things were made through him, and without him was not any thing made that was made. Joh 1:4 In him was life, and the life was the light of men.
Joh 1:14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth. Joh 1:15 (John bore witness about him, and cried out, "This was he of whom I said, 'He who comes after me ranks before me, because he was before me.'") Joh 1:16 And from his fullness we have all received, grace upon grace. Joh 1:17 For the law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.
There. The topic John is talking about is Jesus Christ. The word was made flesh and that word made flesh is called Jesus in vs 17
__________________ Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
Every sinner must repent of their sins.
That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
I follow you there, but "the same" is speaking of the Word(logos), or God in verse 2. Inserting "He" there gives it a "Jesus" slant and establishes a trinitarian point of view.
For instance...
In the beginning was the Word(Jesus), and the Word(Jesus) was with God, and the Word(Jesus) was God.
2 The same(Jesus) was in the beginning with God.
Now here is the other view...
In the beginning was the Word(LOGOS,Spoken Word), and the Word(SpokenWord) was with God, and the Word(Spoken Word) was God.
2 The same(referring to Spoken Word, masculine of course) was in the beginning with God.
14 And the Word(Spoken Word) was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
God and his word are inseparable...His word "spoke" everything into existence, including Jesus. His word creates stuff as we see in Genesis.
Your Comments...?
"He" is not an insert. I already showed you how the KJV translates the same exact greek word as "He", because the Greek pronoun is Masculine.
Further more, the KJV also has
Joh 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. Joh 1:4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
__________________ Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
Every sinner must repent of their sins.
That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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