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12-21-2007, 06:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Steve Epley
The Apostles had power to remit sins it was practiced by baptizing the penitent in Jesus Name that power is vested in the ministry today.
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Originally Posted by freeatlast
See there TRF...and you said it was apples and oranges.
I could have prophesied who it would be to come along and claim to be able to remit sins, but then...........
Lost and Found: thanks for the great explanation you gave
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Originally Posted by freeatlast
I've baptized a few people...but I have never remitted any sins.
I'll leave that up to Jesus and the work of Calvary. I understand he shares his glory with no man.
You'd look good in on of those pope hats though Steve. 
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Originally Posted by Steve Epley
You were instrumental however if any sins are remitted God has to do it. Calvary remits man's sins we recieve that remission by being baptised in His name thus in that manner I am instrumental in the remission of sins.
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Originally Posted by OneAccord
So... if I lay hands on the sick and pray for their healing, and they are healed... then I healed them? So if I lay hands on someone and they recieve the Holy Ghost, I have baptized them with the Holy Ghost? Or I have baptized someone in the Name of Jesus Christ...I have forgiven (or remitted) their sins?
Hah, too many I's there...the work of healing and salvation was wrought at Calvary by Jesus Christ.
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Sounds pretty Catholic to me, Padre.
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Tell you what ... the papal/catholic views expressed by some of my PAJC brethren have reached new heights!!!
OMG .... it's not only papal to claim the apostles are instrumental in remitting sin ... but Mormon in character ...
From the LDS Articles of Faith:
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- We believe that the first principles and ordinances of the Gospel are: first, Faith in the Lord Jesus Christ; second, Repentance; third, Baptism by immersion for the remission of sins; fourth, Laying on of hands for the gift of the Holy Ghost.
- We believe that a man must be called of God, by prophecy, and by the laying on of hands by those who are in authority, to preach the Gospel and administer in the ordinances thereof.
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I would never make the differences between 3 steppers and 1 steppers a point of fellowship ...
but if someone starts preaching this stuff at the church I pastor .... tell you what .... 
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12-21-2007, 06:59 PM
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I want to thank Bro. Epley for opening my eyes to the difference, and the Lord for allowing me to have an open heart to receive the truth.
Bro. Alicea knows of what I speak.
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12-21-2007, 07:03 PM
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Being an elder comes with great spiritual responsibility. We shouldn't see this verse as something that grants an authority to use lightly. It is perhaps one of the most serious of responsibilities given to church leadership. Always strive to restore such a one...only bind their sins upon them if they absolutlely refuse to repent...in the hopes that being turned over to their sins will shake them to ultimately repent.
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Let me see if I understand you; as a disciplinary measure, church leadership can bind the sins on someone who is disobedient and unrepentant and these disobedient believers are now turned over to Satan but if they repent then their sins are loosed (ie; remitted)?
It would be helpful if the word, remitted, appeared in any of the verses you choose to use to prove your point. Even the word, forgiveness, would help your cause.
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12-21-2007, 07:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea
Tell you what ... the papal/catholic views expressed by some of my PAJC brethren have reached new heights!!!
OMG .... it's not only papal to claim the apostles are instrumental in remitting sin ... but Mormon in character ...
From the LDS Articles of Faith:
I would never make the differences between 3 steppers and 1 steppers a point of fellowship ...
but if someone starts preaching this stuff at the church I pastor .... tell you what ....
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You and Ronzo have brought nothing to the table but insults. Why don't you put up something of substance? 
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His banner over me is LOVE.... My soul followeth hard after thee....Love one another with a pure heart fervently. Jesus saith unto her, Said I not unto thee, that, if thou wouldest believe, thou shouldest see the glory of God?
To be a servant of God, it will cost us our total commitment to God, and God alone. His burden must be our burden... Sis Alvear
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12-21-2007, 07:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea
Tell you what ... the papal/catholic views expressed by some of my PAJC brethren have reached new heights!!!
OMG .... it's not only papal to claim the apostles are instrumental in remitting sin ... but Mormon in character ...
From the LDS Articles of Faith:
I would never make the differences between 3 steppers and 1 steppers a point of fellowship ...
but if someone starts preaching this stuff at the church I pastor .... tell you what ....
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Dan it pleased God to save men by preaching 1Cor. 1:21 does that make the preacher the Saviour? No it does not. Yet the preacher is instrumental. Thus the same is with remission of sins it takes place in baptism in Jesus Name and the preacher is instrumental does he the preacher himself remits sins? NO but but he again is instrumental. Look Jesus said it NOT me. Fuss with Him.
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12-21-2007, 07:16 PM
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I posted the similar beliefs held by the Latter Day Saints ... that has to count for something .... *wink*
Give me a break ... you'd rather defend this heretical extreme viewpoint expressed by some in this thread, that I know you don't believe, than call a spade a spade.
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12-21-2007, 07:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Steve Epley
Dan it pleased God to save men by preaching 1Cor. 1:21 does that make the preacher the Saviour? No it does not. Yet the preacher is instrumental. Thus the same is with remission of sins it takes place in baptism in Jesus Name and the preacher is instrumental does he the preacher himself remits sins? NO but but he again is instrumental. Look Jesus said it NOT me. Fuss with Him. |
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His banner over me is LOVE.... My soul followeth hard after thee....Love one another with a pure heart fervently. Jesus saith unto her, Said I not unto thee, that, if thou wouldest believe, thou shouldest see the glory of God?
To be a servant of God, it will cost us our total commitment to God, and God alone. His burden must be our burden... Sis Alvear
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12-21-2007, 07:17 PM
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Go Dodgers!
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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea
Tell you what ... the papal/catholic views expressed by some of my PAJC brethren have reached new heights!!!
OMG .... it's not only papal to claim the apostles are instrumental in remitting sin ... but Mormon in character ...
From the LDS Articles of Faith:
I would never make the differences between 3 steppers and 1 steppers a point of fellowship ...
but if someone starts preaching this stuff at the church I pastor .... tell you what ....
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I guess using that sort of lame logic you are papal and Mormon in character since they also both claim Jesus is God
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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12-21-2007, 07:18 PM
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Go Dodgers!
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exactly....that is par the course. No real substance, just insults and perjorative comments
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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12-21-2007, 07:18 PM
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Dan it pleased God to save men by preaching 1Cor. 1:21 does that make the preacher the Saviour? No it does not. Yet the preacher is instrumental. Thus the same is with remission of sins it takes place in baptism in Jesus Name and the preacher is instrumental does he the preacher himself remits sins? NO but but he again is instrumental. Look Jesus said it NOT me. Fuss with Him. |
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The Apostles had power to remit sins it was practiced by baptizing the penitent in Jesus Name that power is vested in the ministry today.
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