Thus the Republican party has lost the black vote, at least for the foreseeable future, and probably forever. And they're losing the Hispanic vote too. And as the the percentage of whites in the US population continues to decrease over time, the GOP will find it harder to win national elections as minority groups grow in number and thus voter clout at the polls.
They ( Republican) party didn't just lose the blacks, Hispanic vote, they lost most of America!
Christians makeup very little of the population when it comes to votes! The fact that Christians buy into the whole I'll stop abortion speech if I'm electives has been proving false!
I've never heard a candidate say "I'll stop abortion". They promise to appoint judges who will interpret the Constituition as it is written rather than some far fetched and convoluted twisting of it to find a way to legalize abortion. Democrats have a perfect record at appointing SC justices that support abortion. Republicans have appointed all the judges that are in favor of overturning R v. W that are currently on the SC. A few justices turned out to be not what they appeared to be, and that's unfortunate.
George W. did do some things very well. Appointing Roberts and Alito solidified two conservative votes on the Court.
And if Christians would vote with abortion as their main issue, black and white Christians, there would be more than enough votes to win the election for someone. Your lack of conscience on the plight of the unborn is disturbing.
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Christians want make a difference get out there help these young women unwed mothers, stop with all the lip action, get into the mud! This means taken on the burden, bring em into your home to live, going the whole nine yards, making sure these women get medical treatment throughout their pergancies and after. You pay all bills. You make sure they have food, perinatal vits and get them to their doctor apt, sonograms, etc! You also drive em, after the baby born you buy diapers, baby formula, make sure it has all it's shots, etc. This keeps going until the kids 18....
Yeah that's a lot work and time, not many will get that evolved, nor want to!
That's why we have the killings!
You make my point HT. People kill these precious babies for economic reasons. I don't care how you slice it, it's evil.
If you take all the money given to Planned Parenthood, abortion clinics, condom programs, needle programs, save the whale, the spotted owl, the trees programs, as well as the pork barrel projects that Washington wastes money on and couple that with what Christian organizations and churches are already doing for unwanted children and unwed mothers and poor families, there would be plenty of money to help these folks and provide mechanisms to put their children up for adoption or help to raise them to adulthood.
You cant blame Christians for not trying. Christian charities do more for the poor, women and children than any other segment of society.
And none of this justifies the murder of millions of babies every year.
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I'm just confused as to the lack of response when McCain can outright say that how someone would vote on Roe v. Wade will not influence his decision to appoint him or her. We either care about 40 million murders or we don't. I know that we can debate the benefits of overturning Roe v. Wade and whether it will help anything...but what is not debatable is what the majority of McCains supporters strongly feel should happen. I am also of the opinion that if Obama or any other liberal promised to do something that was contrary to what the vast majority of their constituents passionately felt to the same extent that the right feels about abortion, the fallout would be immediate and fatal. We have placed ourselves in a bad position.
No need for confusion, Stew. It would be stupid to say "a justice's stand on abortion is my litmus test for nomination". The media and the pro abortion groups would roll out 100's of millions of dollars in scare ads and marketing to fight the nomination.
Conservatives know that when a candidate says, "I will only appoint strict constructionist judges to the bench" they are in effect saying I will appoint judges who will interpret the Constitution as written, which includes the phony "right to an abortion" based on the "right to privacy" standard. When McCain says "I will appoint judges in the tradition of Antonin Scalia, Thomas, Roberts and Alito" we all know what he's saying. Their records on abortion issues speak for themselves.
It makes plenty of sense to me. But then again, I am not trying to side step the issue of Democrat's stellar and steadfast record of supporting the murders of tens of millions of babies for 35 years. Their record speaks for itself as well.
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Unfortunately, I think the legality of abortion in the U.S. has passed the point of no return. As they say, "you can't put the toothpaste back into the tube".
This is over. Abortion has gotten so entrenched into the fabric of American society that I can't see it ever being outlawed again.
Abortion will remain legal until Jesus comes.
But as for these abortion doctors, I'd hate to be in their shoes on Judgment Day. Their judgment might seem to be slow in coming, but it's coming.
I think that pretty well expresses my feelings on this subject.
Mike Williamson, part of the problem is that even many white Christians are starting to see through the manipulation of our religious views through purely rhetorical positions and decades of the actions not adding up.
How do you explain the appointments of Samuel Alito and John Roberts? George W. did not give us rhetoric when it came to appointing constructionist judges, he delivered. Did Ford make a mistake with Stevens? Yes. Did Reagan believe O'Conner and Kennedy would vote conservatively? Yes. Did Bush, Sr. believe Souter was more conservative than what he's turned out to be? Yes. I don't believe for a second that Ford, Reagan or Bush would have appointed these disappointing judges to the SC had they known how they would've voted on the SC. There has been no manipulation, only deception on the part of the nominees as to where their sentiments were on conservative issues.
A vast majority of black Christians vote pocketbook issues. Too many white Christians did as well this year. My contention is that although important, voting for monetary reasons while ignoring the deaths of millions of innocent children is wrong. Which is more important, my bank account or babies? Jesus said, "The poor you will always have with you." Helping the less fortunate is a challenge for every generation. It is a cause that needs to be addressed, but primarily it should be the responsibility of the Church, not government. Protecting the lives of the defenseless seems more like a responsibility of the government, rather than allowing the murder of such. Jesus said "of such is the kingdom of heaven" when speaking of children. He said that if we would harm any of his children our end would be better drowning in the depths of the sea than to have to deal with Him in judgement for it.
I am confused why so many Christians can't see it.
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The flip side is that many are asking, "what concrete is being promised as it relates to abortion and our plan to end it?"
There can be no promises to and I don't believe anyone is making promises to end legalized abortion. The only pledge one can make is to appoint conservative justices that will not manipulate the Constitution in such a way that a phony right to abortion emerges from it. Since liberals cannot win this issue through popular sentiment as a stand alone issue, they have had to assert their will through judicial activism. Unfortunately changing the make up of the SC has become the only way to change the law. No matter what a president promises or a legislator promises, laws can be passed and the courts will strike them down or restrict their enforcement.
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When a newspaper posed the question, "What's Wrong with the World?" G. K. Chesterton reputedly wrote a brief letter in response: "Dear Sirs: I am. Sincerely Yours, G. K. Chesterton." That is the attitude of someone who has grasped the message of Jesus.
I agree. Unfortunately, Roe v. Wade is now 30 years set in precedence and will be highly unlikely to be overturned by the SCOTUS.
I heard Anton Scalia at Harvard on C-Span say that he doubted it would ever be overturned due to it's long standing as the law of the land. If Scalia, the most conservative justice on the SCOTUS doubts, I'd say hope is dim.
The only thing that will cure this country's abortion problem is the same thing that will cure our drug, drinking, adultery, assault, and ID theft problem. The gospel of Jesus Christ preached with the annointing of the Holy Ghost causing sinners to identify and admit their sin and turn from it toward a Holy God.
It won't be petitions to Washington from Rod Parsley or loud protesting.
But does that mean in addition to try to reach the world with the gospel changing the hearts and souls of men (which I endeavor to do every day), that we should not try to affect the leaders of our nation to do what is right in God's sight?
I think not, and I will not remain silent while the defenseless are harvested like cattle for convenience, cosmetics, and so-called medical advancements.
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When a newspaper posed the question, "What's Wrong with the World?" G. K. Chesterton reputedly wrote a brief letter in response: "Dear Sirs: I am. Sincerely Yours, G. K. Chesterton." That is the attitude of someone who has grasped the message of Jesus.
In addition, although the argument seems complicated, it really is very simple. The end of LEGALIZED abortion (there will always be abortions, prostitutes, drugs and child pormography---we want to prevent the legalization of any of these) will come when there is a majority on the SC that will vote to end it. It really is that simple. Get a president that will appoint justices that will not misinterpret the Constitution, and we will return to a legal condition that was good enough for nearly 200 years of American history versus the past 35.
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When a newspaper posed the question, "What's Wrong with the World?" G. K. Chesterton reputedly wrote a brief letter in response: "Dear Sirs: I am. Sincerely Yours, G. K. Chesterton." That is the attitude of someone who has grasped the message of Jesus.
How do you explain the appointments of Samuel Alito and John Roberts? George W. did not give us rhetoric when it came to appointing constructionist judges, he delivered. Did Ford make a mistake with Stevens? Yes. Did Reagan believe O'Conner and Kennedy would vote conservatively? Yes. Did Bush, Sr. believe Souter was more conservative than what he's turned out to be? Yes. I don't believe for a second that Ford, Reagan or Bush would have appointed these disappointing judges to the SC had they known how they would've voted on the SC. There has been no manipulation, only deception on the part of the nominees as to where their sentiments were on conservative issues.
A vast majority of black Christians vote pocketbook issues. Too many white Christians did as well this year. My contention is that although important, voting for monetary reasons while ignoring the deaths of millions of innocent children is wrong. Which is more important, my bank account or babies? Jesus said, "The poor you will always have with you." Helping the less fortunate is a challenge for every generation. It is a cause that needs to be addressed, but primarily it should be the responsibility of the Church, not government. Protecting the lives of the defenseless seems more like a responsibility of the government, rather than allowing the murder of such. Jesus said "of such is the kingdom of heaven" when speaking of children. He said that if we would harm any of his children our end would be better drowning in the depths of the sea than to have to deal with Him in judgement for it.
I am confused why so many Christians can't see it.
DB, I don't have the time right now to answer all the great points you brought up in this series of posts, but let me just say that the issue lies much deeper than this. AS much as I don't like the monolithic partisan nature of the black community, I understand where it was developed by some. There is a very clear recent history of the Dems aggressively pursuing and courting the black vote while the GOP didn't. Also in the last 30 years or so things have come to light that has helped people continue to brand the Republican party as highly racist in some regions. It is not lost on people that if those of the David Duke ilk where to run or vote, it would almost always be Republican...just as much as a Al Sharpton would almost certainly run or vote Dem.
I'm off to a meeting but I shall return
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