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04-30-2009, 09:13 AM
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Re: Jerry Ensey wrote a great article on the Light
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Bro Epley quote There is NO doctrine of Grace outside the Death-Burial-Resurrection and our identity with by obeying Acts 2:38. NOT ONE person since Pentecost has had their sins remitted without the preacher invoking the Name of Jesus in baptism..
My answer Thief on the cross..
People salvation did not start at Pentecost sorry to bust your bubble..... |
Again and it has been pointed to you multiple times that it was before D,B,R.
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04-30-2009, 09:20 AM
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Re: Jerry Ensey wrote a great article on the Light
Luke did the thief die before or after Jesus or do you know?
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04-30-2009, 09:31 AM
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Re: Jerry Ensey wrote a great article on the Light
So lets change that to before the burial,resurection because no one knows if the thief dies before or after jesus...
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04-30-2009, 09:33 AM
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Re: Jerry Ensey wrote a great article on the Light
What about all those folks who died after the death, burial, and resurrection but before the day of Pentecost?
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04-30-2009, 09:35 AM
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Re: Jerry Ensey wrote a great article on the Light
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What about all those folks who died after the death, burial, and resurrection but before the day of Pentecost?
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Was the New Covenant in place before the resurrection? I wouldn't think it would have been, until death was defeated.
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"God, send me anywhere, only go with me. Lay any burden on me, only sustain me. And sever any tie in my heart except the tie that binds my heart to Yours."
--David Livingstone
"To see no being, not God’s or any, but you also go thither,
To see no possession but you may possess it—enjoying all without labor or purchase—
abstracting the feast, yet not abstracting one particle of it;…."
--Walt Whitman, Leaves of Grass, Song of the Open Road
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04-30-2009, 09:37 AM
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Re: Jerry Ensey wrote a great article on the Light
I am sorry mabey I am hard headed but I really don't think jesus death,burieal (sp)resurrection has anything to do with salvation cause people were save before he died also
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04-30-2009, 09:39 AM
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Re: Jerry Ensey wrote a great article on the Light
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I am sorry mabey I am hard headed but I really don't think jesus death,burieal (sp)resurrection has anything to do with salvation cause people were save before he died also
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Huh? You don't think His sacrifice affects our salvation? Of course people were saved prior to the cross--but the entire methodology was changed at the cross!!!!!
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"God, send me anywhere, only go with me. Lay any burden on me, only sustain me. And sever any tie in my heart except the tie that binds my heart to Yours."
--David Livingstone
"To see no being, not God’s or any, but you also go thither,
To see no possession but you may possess it—enjoying all without labor or purchase—
abstracting the feast, yet not abstracting one particle of it;…."
--Walt Whitman, Leaves of Grass, Song of the Open Road
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04-30-2009, 09:47 AM
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Re: Jerry Ensey wrote a great article on the Light
It did not before his death why would it afterwards...If he was still walking on this eath today people would still be saved....
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04-30-2009, 09:48 AM
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Re: Jerry Ensey wrote a great article on the Light
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Originally Posted by KWSS1976
Luke did the thief die before or after Jesus or do you know?
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The thief died after Jesus did ( John 9:30-33)
but the promise to the thief was given (of course) while Jesus was still alive.
So there are differences of opinion as to whether the thief was saved under the Old Testament or under the New Testament after the death of the Testator ( Hebrews 9:15-18)
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04-30-2009, 09:50 AM
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Re: Jerry Ensey wrote a great article on the Light
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It did not before his death why would it afterwards...If he was still walking on this earth today people would still be saved....
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Saved by what? If not by the cross, then by what? By following the Law? Being a (converted) Jew?
The cross did not introduce salvation--but it did change the experience, and the accessibility.
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"God, send me anywhere, only go with me. Lay any burden on me, only sustain me. And sever any tie in my heart except the tie that binds my heart to Yours."
--David Livingstone
"To see no being, not God’s or any, but you also go thither,
To see no possession but you may possess it—enjoying all without labor or purchase—
abstracting the feast, yet not abstracting one particle of it;…."
--Walt Whitman, Leaves of Grass, Song of the Open Road
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