10.01.09-The End of Haneywood - D. Bernard New GS

[Trouvere]

I am so glad the church of Jesus Christ is not a political organization.
All this power play stuff is disheartening.

[Light]

Originally Posted by n david

I met KH once. I was very impressed with how gracious and kind he was to me and my family.

The UPC has a good GS and should vote him in again.

If one looked they couldn't find a nicer man than KH but nice is not what it's about. If KH believed the 3 step doctrine why would he allow some one in his school to teach one is saved at repentance? The UPCI needs someone that teaches the three step doctrine and actually believes it at the helm.

[Sam]

Originally Posted by Light

If one looked they couldn't find a nicer man than KH but nice is not what it's about. If KH believed the 3 step doctrine why would he allow some one in his school to teach one is saved at repentance? The UPCI needs someone that teaches the three step doctrine and actually believes it at the helm.

Did KH really allow someone to teach the one step doctrine or was that his Dad (Clyde Haney) that did that? I think there was pressure on the Haneys to discontinue allowing divergent views on the new birth to be expressed in their school and it was discontinued.

[Sweet Pea]

Originally Posted by Light

If one looked they couldn't find a nicer man than KH but nice is not what it's about. If KH believed the 3 step doctrine why would he allow some one in his school to teach one is saved at repentance? The UPCI needs someone that teaches the three step doctrine and actually believes it at the helm.

Sam is right on this one..... you are way out of the loop if you think KH allowed someone to continue to teach the one-step doctrice at CLC .... There may be those that believed it and remained on staff - but it wasn't taught after LY left.

[Light]

Originally Posted by Sam

Did KH really allow someone to teach the one step doctrine or was that his Dad (Clyde Haney) that did that? I think there was pressure on the Haneys to discontinue allowing divergent views on the new birth to be expressed in their school and it was discontinued.

Yes KH did. The man that I am referring to made the following statement when he was asked why he stayed in the upc if he believed------ his reply was I can do more to change the beliefs on the inside than outside.

[Sweet Pea]

Originally Posted by Light

Yes KH did. The man that I am referring to made the following statement when he was asked why he stayed in the upc if he believed------ his reply was I can do more to change the beliefs on the inside than outside.

And is this man still UPC and does he still teach at the college? If not, do you know when he left?

[Sam]

Originally Posted by Light

Yes KH did. The man that I am referring to made the following statement when he was asked why he stayed in the upc if he believed------ his reply was I can do more to change the beliefs on the inside than outside.

OK, I guess you are referring to LY.

I was thinking of when Bro. Howard Goss visited the college in the 1950's at the request of Clyde Haney "for the purpose of teaching his view of the new birth." In 1957 Bro. Goss openly said from the chapel pulpit that he was definitely saved prior to baptism in Jesus name or Spirit baptism. During a class on Pentecostal Doctrine at WABC, where he was an invited speaker, Bro. Goss was asked specifically about his view of the new birth. He was not hesitant in affirming that all "Trinitarian brothers were in the body of Christ and they would all go up together." He explained his view by saying that both Oneness and Trinitarian believers had been baptized into one body. He openly asserted that baptism was "because of" the remission of sins and therefore a post-salvation matter. Phillip Dugas was a student there in 1958 when Bro. Goss made those statements.

[n david]

Originally Posted by Light

If one looked they couldn't find a nicer man than KH but nice is not what it's about. If KH believed the 3 step doctrine why would he allow some one in his school to teach one is saved at repentance? The UPCI needs someone that teaches the three step doctrine and actually believes it at the helm.

I was at KH's school (CLC) several years ago and that wasn't taught then, so I don't know where you got the information.

If it is LY you're talking about, as other suggest, he hasn't been around for a long time.

Did you attend CLC?

[Apocrypha]

So when does the vote come up on the floor?

[edjen01]

probably around 10am..central.