Mike, start calling Jesus by the name that was perserved by the Greek language 200 years before His birth, and lasted 2000 years after His death, burial and resurrection.
Ok here is what I am asking.
1. The name preserved in Greek is Iesous. Why are you not calling him by the name you said is preserved? If you can pronounce it as is why does it need to be changed? Isnt that what transliteration is about?
2. Do you think its true that the "s" at the end of the name Iesous was added by men to make it conform to the Greek language? Or do you believe there should be an s at the end of his given name?
As to the LXX what I have heard is that the name Iesous is supposed to be a transliteration for the Hebrew name which appears for the name "Joshua" in the Hebrew. Care to comment?
1. The name preserved in Greek is Iesous. Why are you not calling him by the name you said is preserved? If you can pronounce it as is why does it need to be changed? Isnt that what transliteration is about?
Mike, the name Iēsoûs is Jesus. The Hebrew and Aramaic is where we tend to slip and slide all over the place. Yesha, Yahshua, Yahoshua, Yoshua, Yahavahsua, Yeshea, so on and so on. Iēsoûs Iesus is Jesus. Way easier to find a primary source for *JESUS*. Then to jump hurdles through the Your Here Where Here guess names.
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Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple
2. Do you think its true that the "s" at the end of the name Iesous was added by men to make it conform to the Greek language? Or do you believe there should be an s at the end of his given name?
Could you explain the below for me?
ιησουν ιησους
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Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple
As to the LXX what I have heard is that the name Iesous is supposed to be a transliteration for the Hebrew name which appears for the name "Joshua" in the Hebrew. Care to comment?
The LXX 200 years before Christ. The NT text of Hebrews 4:8 calls Joshua, Jesus.
No need for guess names, you have the NAME it's JESUS.
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Mike, the name Iēsoûs is Jesus. The Hebrew and Aramaic is where we tend to slip and slide all over the place. Yesha, Yahshua, Yahoshua, Yoshua, Yahavahsua, Yeshea, so on and so on. Iēsoûs Iesus is Jesus. Way easier to find a primary source for *JESUS*. Then to jump hurdles through the Your Here Where Here guess names.
Ok you must then believe the Hebrew Savior was born with a Greek name. Then you are saying that name is the same as what we have in English. You mock the Hebrew/Aramaic and exalt the English name that came many hundreds of years later.
Now is it true that the "s" at the end of Jesus was added by men? I have read that was done because Greek names (male) needed an s on the end.
Why was Jesus called Iesu in times past? Was that his name in Greek? Or was it Iesus? Which was inspired? Which is HIS NAME?
Is it true that Jewish names in our English Bible that start with "J" in the Hebrew started with "Y"?
Did the "I" in old English sound like a Y? These are factors in why I believe as I do.
Mind you I am not mocking the name Jesus. I DO use it. I DO believe it is the highest name in the English language. Many times I have confirmed this.
What I do not believe is that he was ever called it by his family, friends or the Apostles.
I am trying to understand the case for the Greek being a transliteration from the Hebrew/Aramaic. It would be helpful to me in this quest if you give solid answers to my questions not just attacks against this group or that. If you cannot thats ok. Im not going to be mad at anyone for using a name I myself use much of the time.
But remember you are the one who is telling me what name I should use to the exclusion of anything else. I have said no such thing to you. So I feel the burden of proof is on you to convince me that IESOUS was the source name and that it was not a transliteration of an original Hebrew/Aramaic name.
Last edited by Michael The Disciple; 01-29-2010 at 08:15 PM.
You think the top hat and peep stones may get the jobb done?
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More than likely, from what I've studied, the name that was given to Mary was Yeshua or Yehoshua. There is no "J" in the Hebrew "aleph-bet." When the disciples said that there was no other name, they most certainly did NOT use "Jesus."
That being the case, I still baptize in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ. The "correct" name or pronunciation is not a "talisman" or incantation that causes things to happen...it is the person of Jesus Christ which the name we use represents. If we say we must return to the "original" then we'll more than likely have to go back to Yeshua. I'm not for that even though it is probably correct. Remember, the Greek language was used to communicate throughout the Roman empire since that was the language of it, but the writers were Jewish not Greek. The mistake most seminaries make is the over study of Greek culture, language etc to understand the NT. It was Jewish minds and cultures which wrote the NT not greeks.
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More than likely, from what I've studied, the name that was given to Mary was Yeshua or Yehoshua. There is no "J" in the Hebrew "aleph-bet." When the disciples said that there was no other name, they most certainly did NOT use "Jesus."
That being the case, I still baptize in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ. The "correct" name or pronunciation is not a "talisman" or incantation that causes things to happen...it is the person of Jesus Christ which the name we use represents. If we say we must return to the "original" then we'll more than likely have to go back to Yeshua. I'm not for that even though it is probably correct. Remember, the Greek language was used to communicate throughout the Roman empire since that was the language of it, but the writers were Jewish not Greek. The mistake most seminaries make is the over study of Greek culture, language etc to understand the NT. It was Jewish minds and cultures which wrote the NT not greeks.
I basically agree with this. Nonetheless I have baptized a number of people in the name of Yeshua. My reasoning if you know the name why not use it? I dont remember trying to persuade anyone who was baptized in Jesus name to be rebaptized. I have baptized a few that requested it.
Last edited by Michael The Disciple; 01-30-2010 at 07:30 PM.
I basically agree with this. Nonetheless I have baptized a number of people in the name of Yeshua. My reasoning if you know the name why not use it? I dont remember trying to persuade anyone who was baptized in Jesus name to be rebaptized. I have baptized a few that requested it.
I would not have a problem with someone being baptized that way, even though I don't. Big difference between that and someone being baptized in the name of "George!" If you get my drift! LOL
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I basically agree with this. Nonetheless I have baptized a number of people in the name of Yeshua. My reasoning if you know the name why not use it? I dont remember trying to persuade anyone who was baptized in Jesus name to be rebaptized. I have baptized a few that requested it.
Michael is Yeshua beyound the shadow of doubt the name He was called?
It wasn't Yehoshua?
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