God does not forgive, because he never condemned.

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Is condemnation the only reason for forgiveness? What about conviction?

I think it can be best said: we condemn ourselves to be condemned by God because we sinned...

[SteppingStone]

Originally Posted by Timmy

Where?

Here's one example:

Matthew 12

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by SteppingStone

Here's one example:

Matthew 12

You are going to have to start being a little more specific...

EDIT: I suppose I shouldn't fret too much... at least you didn't say the book of Matthew was your example or the 4 gospels or the whole new testament or the whole bible...

[Timmy]

Originally Posted by SteppingStone

Here's one example:

Matthew 12

Ah. Verse 37? "For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned."? OK.

[Timmy]

Originally Posted by jfrog

You are going to have to start being a little more specific...

EDIT: I suppose I shouldn't fret too much... at least you didn't say the book of Matthew was your example or the 4 gospels or the whole new testament or the whole bible...

Ctrl-f works wonders!

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by Timmy

Ctrl-f works wonders!

haha yep.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by jfrog

I think it can be best said: we condemn ourselves to be condemned by God because we sinned...

Right.

[theglory7]

Mf blume, who condemned the world if God did not. Did he create a condemned creation? Or was it from Adam taking the fruit of the tree of knowledge of Good and Evil, did that bring the awarness of evil and condemnation.\?

[theglory7]

This statement definitaly gives you a new perspective on who God is to you. Because if you can establish God forgives, then God must have condemned, and you believe in a God that has condemned you from the beginning. As far as those that say we condemn ourselves to be condemned by God, are still saying that God condemned them regardless of who did it first.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by theglory7

Mf blume, who condemned the world if God did not. Did he create a condemned creation? Or was it from Adam taking the fruit of the tree of knowledge of Good and Evil, did that bring the awarness of evil and condemnation.\?

God condemns sin. Man committed sin. Man came under condemnation. The world was not created to be condemned. Adam had that potential in his hands and indeed accomplished it.

Are you saying you do not agree that God forgives?

there are so many attempts to reinvent the wheel on these forums. lol. The bible says God forgives.