Where is the five fold ministry?

[Sam]

Originally Posted by james34

the Bible does not teach about a 5 fold ministry,it teaches the gifts of the spirit for the edification of the body.

and 5 of those gifts are
apostles
prophets
evangelists
pastors
and
teachers

[Sam]

Originally Posted by Sam

and 5 of those gifts are
apostles
prophets
evangelists
pastors
and
teachers

This is a Bible Study I did at our local church on Spiritual Gifts

[canam]

Originally Posted by Sam

This is a Bible Study I did at our local church on Spiritual Gifts

A friend of mine says his wife has a five fold ministry,ah, she goes about 350- 400 and rising

[onefaith2]

So where then are the modern day apostles?

[Sam]

Originally Posted by onefaith2

So where then are the modern day apostles?

all around us.

[onefaith2]

Originally Posted by Sam

all around us.

Do you personally know one?

[mfblume]

If there is a church there is a five-fold ministry. Not everyone may be benefiting from it, though, but Paul said God set these ministries in the church, not just in the first century.

1 Cor. 12:28.

[pastorrick1959]

Originally Posted by onefaith2

Do you personally know one?

yes i knew a FEW. they maynot be in every assembly ,should be , but maybot be . that would be according to how big ther congregation was and how they have been taught as well to pursue after callings and gifts!~

sam would you not say the 5 fold would be callings not gifts? just curious ..

[Digging4Truth]

Originally Posted by pastorrick1959

yes i knew a FEW. they maynot be in every assembly ,should be , but maybot be . that would be according to how big ther congregation was and how they have been taught as well to pursue after callings and gifts!~

sam would you not say the 5 fold would be callings not gifts? just curious ..

I believe that the reasoning behind there not being a full compliment of the ministries put in place for the church (even multiple people operating in the various ministries) would rest very heavily on teaching rather than church size.

The reason I feel this way is because in the days of the apostles most all the congregations were small groups meeting in homes and yet they had these ministries in operation.

The view that ministry is a vocation is one cause for this. The church is left with the view that there are those who are "in the ministry" and then there are the rest of us rather than seeing ministry as something we all do to and for one another as well as the understanding that these words used (apostle, prophet, pastor, teacher & evangelist) should be viewed less as "what we are" and viewed more often as "what we do".

Mindset issues can shut down the birthing & nurturing of a church full of ministers.

[Sam]

Originally Posted by pastorrick1959

yes i knew a FEW. they maynot be in every assembly ,should be , but maybot be . that would be according to how big ther congregation was and how they have been taught as well to pursue after callings and gifts!~

sam would you not say the 5 fold would be callings not gifts? just curious ..

I think we use the terms interchangeably at times. In Ephesians chapter 4 where what we call the 5 fold (some just see 4 there combining pastors and teachers) ministry is listed it speaks of Christ's ascension and then His giving gifts unto men. Then the 5 ministries or callings are listed. So it appears they are gifts there although some say the gifts are not the offices but the men and women who fulfill those offices. Then in 1 Corinthians chapter 12 where Paul speaks of spiritual gifts he calls them gifts, administrations, and operations in verses 4-6. Then in verses 8-10 he lists 9 of them: word of wisdom; word of knowledge; faith; gifts of healing; working of miracles; prophecy; discerning of spirits; tongues (languages); and interpretation of tongues. Then in verses 28-30 he mentions: apostles; prophets; teachers; miracles; gifts of healings; helps; governments; tongues; workers of miracles; and interpretation. Then in Romans 12:6-8 he lists: prophecy; ministry (serving); exhortation; giving; ruling (we usually think of this as leadership or administration); and showing mercy.

I don't think we can limit the gifts of the Spirit to the 9 in 1 Corinthians 12:8-10.