HA! He's a perv himself! The Banning Pastor - Page 3

Cindy · #1 11-22-2010, 07:28 AM

Pastor offers to resign.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101122/...facebook_edict

Aquila · #2 11-22-2010, 12:14 PM

Of course, maybe if he had kept his past indiscretions more private instead of dragging everyone into his personal business by banning Facebook among them, he'd still be serving. If his wife was contacting an old flame they had a liaison with ten years ago, I think he should have privately addressed the issue and not pulled the entire congregation into it.

brianmidwest · #3 11-24-2010, 06:52 PM

But I bet small group gatherings can be VERY interesting!

TJJJ · #4 11-24-2010, 11:00 PM

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But I bet small group gatherings can be VERY interesting!

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaagh

Bad thoughts begone!

Away with you!

Brian, you are taking after Sam!

brianmidwest · #5 11-26-2010, 06:14 PM

Sam's a good guy. I take it as a compliment.

Aquila · #6 12-01-2010, 08:31 AM

I believe that God can restore this ministry. However, the minister isn't entitled to being restored to ministry. Should God decide to restore him to active full time ministry it will be a long uphill battle. Let's keep him and his family in prayer.

Sabby · #7 12-01-2010, 12:46 PM

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I believe that God can restore this ministry. However, the minister isn't entitled to being restored to ministry. Should God decide to restore him to active full time ministry it will be a long uphill battle. Let's keep him and his family in prayer.

Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted.

This word fault is just as easily rendered slide-slipped, or sin. So, if we, according to the word above, are spiritual we should restore the fallen individual.

Two questions need to be answered. What does it mean to "restore", and what does it mean to be "spiritual"?

restore = to complete thoroughly, i.e. repair (literally or figuratively)
spiritual = non-carnal

The question is not IF someone can be restored. The question is, are we non-carnal enough to, in the spirit of meekness, restore.
Ask yourself the question: Is the responsibility for restoration in the hands of the "spiritual elite", aka the ministry, or is the congregation/we as individuals responsible as well?
I think if we were anywhere near as spiritual (non-carnal) as we claim to be there'd be more healing and restoration in the pulpit and in the pew.

Ye which are spiritual is not too hard to understand.

RandyWayne · #8 12-01-2010, 02:03 PM

You (us) can talk about restoration till the cows come home and how God can do it instantly or over the long haul, or whether He should do it at all. BUT... How long does it take to restore trust? Especially when it has been completely shattered -like a pastor who has embezzled, molested, or cheated on his wife. Is someones word of knowledge that "he has been restored!" good enough for him to restart his job the next morning? Would you trust him with your money, wife (if she was pretty), or kids after such a word of knowledge was given?

Sabby · #9 12-01-2010, 02:56 PM

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You (us) can talk about restoration till the cows come home and how God can do it instantly or over the long haul, or whether He should do it at all. BUT... How long does it take to restore trust? Especially when it has been completely shattered -like a pastor who has embezzled, molested, or cheated on his wife. Is someones word of knowledge that "he has been restored!" good enough for him to restart his job the next morning? Would you trust him with your money, wife (if she was pretty), or kids after such a word of knowledge was given?

WWJD

Sabby · #10 12-01-2010, 03:12 PM

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WWJD

And I'll ask the question 'til the cows come home...who is is accountable to God for restoration?

Sometimes parishioners want the ministry to do it all, and they take a pass on the heavier things of the spirit. I'd give examples but let's just get as basic as "doing ministry". What does it mean to be like Jesus Christ? Did Jesus REALLY mean 70 times 7? Did He really take risks?

I completely understand your points and your reasons behind them but that doesn't answer the question.
Are we "spiritual" enough to restore? I'm not excusing the sin, justifying the behavior, etc, al. I'm asking, is the church "non-carnal" enough to do this?
We are not where we need to be in the church until we can restore in the spirit of meekness.

Whether the story of the prodigal is from the Father's viewpoint, the older brother's viewpoint, or that of the prodigal himself, the point of the story (and our relationship with God in general) is all about relationships and restoration.