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02-04-2011, 01:01 PM
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Re: The First Church of Utopia
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02-04-2011, 01:01 PM
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Re: The First Church of Utopia
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Mmmm, but this is SO wrong. Why is it that complete love, restoration, acceptance, and embracing of a person is always perceived as approval for what they've done?
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Your post really rubbed these cons the wrong way...
and that's why I think it's THE TRUTH!
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02-04-2011, 01:02 PM
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Re: The First Church of Utopia
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If the man truely found grace he wouldn't want to back to the hooker on monday. If he continued to go then a grace church should gracefully kick him out til he repents back to grace then the church should gracefully received him back.
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And if he genuinely was devastated by sorrow each time he fell, what should we do? Allow him to return each time or send him on his way until he changes?
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02-04-2011, 01:04 PM
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Re: The First Church of Utopia
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If the man truely found grace he wouldn't want to back to the hooker on monday. If he continued to go then a grace church should gracefully kick him out til he repents back to grace then the church should gracefully received him back.
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Are you not a grace church?
Who does Jesus cast away and kick out? A man with sex addictions has to get it all right and walk perfect to worship with you?
What sort of vile is in our hearts when we feel like this? Is our heart really breaking for things that break his?
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02-04-2011, 01:05 PM
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Re: The First Church of Utopia
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Yes, Amen! That's how we're justified!
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02-04-2011, 01:06 PM
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Re: The First Church of Utopia
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And if he genuinely was devastated by sorrow each time he fell, what should we do? Allow him to return each time or send him on his way until he changes?
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Yes IF is the key! But if the leadership continually sang him in the choir, allowed him to testify, preached about how righteous He is because Jesus is righteous, yet he remains doing what he is doing, AT some point the church has got to say, You have to let it go!
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02-04-2011, 01:07 PM
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Re: The First Church of Utopia
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Yes IF is the key! But if the leadership continually sang him in the choir, allowed him to testify, preached about how righteous He is because Jesus is righteous, yet he remains doing what he is doing, AT some point the church has got to say, You have to let it go!
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I disagree.
You guys make it sound like the disciples had it all together when they were assisting Jesus.
Sure there is a point... but the objections have not been "at some point" they've just been pointed so far.
Discipleship doesn't happen in a moment.
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02-04-2011, 01:08 PM
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Re: The First Church of Utopia
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Originally Posted by notofworks
Mmmm, but this is SO wrong. Why is it that complete love, restoration, acceptance, and embracing of a person is always perceived as approval for what they've done?
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Oh I fully understand you wont approve of my lifestyle, but if Im covered under grace then whats it matter.
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02-04-2011, 01:12 PM
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Re: The First Church of Utopia
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Your post really rubbed these cons the wrong way...
and that's why I think it's THE TRUTH!
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Socialite, I know you know this, but it's not just the cons that wag their fingers at the broken, it's all of us. The liberals are just as guilty. It's a human-nature, sin-nature problem, that causes so many in the Christian world to crow with the Pharisee, "I thank my God that I am not like other men...". Paul wrote about his own tendencies in Romans 7 and then said to the CORINTHIAN church, no less, "If you think you are standing strong, be careful, for you, too, may fall into the same sin." (10:12)
Sin doesn't ask us first if we're liberal or conservative, it just shows up at our door. And when it does, I want to do everything in my power to have created an environment where that person is smothered with love and care and never looked down upon.
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02-04-2011, 01:14 PM
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Re: The First Church of Utopia
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Anomaly.
Hardly normative for Paul's idea of the Church. The "wicked one" was an incestuous man, loudly boasting of his continual affair before the congregation. Also, in the context of a city that was pretty immature in their faith (fornication, greed, etc was rampant among the believers there).
I find is suspicious that anyone would use this store as a normative procedure for church discipline.
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Think you need to take a closer look at Pauls instruction to the church:
1 Cor 5:11-6:1
11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.
12 For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within?
13 But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.
KJV
It wasn't refering to just incest but sinful rebellious lifestyle in general of a "brother" Maybe our church would be better off following Paul's instructions, I think so.
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