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Old 06-02-2011, 06:20 AM
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Re: How Does The Unbeliever Perish ?

A thousand years with the Lord is as one day, and one day as a thousand years; That scripture indicates with God there is no time frames like in our world. Everything is present tense, past, present, and future.
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Or did Adam die spiritually that day?

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It doesn't say. It doesn't say he died in any way on the day he ate. But it does say when he died, at age 930 years (without qualifying by what kind of death).
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Or did Adam die spiritually that day?

Ephesians 2 says that we were dead in trespasses and sins but that God has quickened us or made us alive.
I think you're onto something.
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A thousand years with the Lord is as one day, and one day as a thousand years; That scripture indicates with God there is no time frames like in our world. Everything is present tense, past, present, and future.
Nope, that doesn't address the passage. The passage in no shape or form suggests that God told adam that he would die 1000 years after he ate of the forbidden tree.

The 'one literal day = one thousand literal years, one thousand literal years = one literal day' is only used when convenient.
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Since we have threads here about UR,Destruction Of The Wicked And Eternal Punishment.
What say ye about how those who do not believe in Christ will perish ?
John 3:16 What is the nature of the perishment of the non-believer ?
It means to completely destroy

apóllumi or apolúō; fut. apolésō, 2d aor. apōlómēn, perf. apolṓleka, 2d perf. apólōla, mid. fut. apoloúmai, from apó (G575) an intens., the mid. óllumi (n.f.), to destroy. The force of apó here is away or wholly; therefore, the verb is stronger than the simple óllumi. To destroy, mid. be destroyed, perish. Also from óllumi (n.f.): ólethros (G3639), rain, destruction.
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Nope, that doesn't address the passage. The passage in no shape or form suggests that God told adam that he would die 1000 years after he ate of the forbidden tree.

The 'one literal day = one thousand literal years, one thousand literal years = one literal day' is only used when convenient.
when did adam die? seekerman
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when did adam die? seekerman
Depends on which death you're talking about. Spiritually, he died the day he ate of the tree, physically, he died 900+ years later.
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Depends on which death you're talking about. Spiritually, he died the day he ate of the tree, physically, he died 900+ years later.
can you describe to us what you mean by spiritual death? Even though adam sinned. Did he stop having communion with God?

Did not God Clothe them? But kicked them out of the garden so they wouldnt eat of the tree of life.

so can you describe this spirtual death?
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Nope, that doesn't address the passage. The passage in no shape or form suggests that God told adam that he would die 1000 years after he ate of the forbidden tree.

The 'one literal day = one thousand literal years, one thousand literal years = one literal day' is only used when convenient.
Sorry I'm off track. Didn't mean it to reference Adam's death period in time. Was only referencing the time table in God in all things.

I believe Adam lived 900 years. I think he was living a lot better in the beginning and would have lived forever had he not discovered that same weakness in himself that we all had at one time. The weakness that can't resist wrong choices that are not the will of God, to us, and for us.

Spiritual rebirth is not taking upon one self a bunch of rules that are going to make us perfect in the sight of the Lord. It is becoming someone who we were not at the beginning and someone just like the one who created that nature in us.

The commandments of God were never intended to make us perfect, they were rules that would cause us to be in unity with God and everyone else on this earth. They were all for our good. But because we are not good then what was good for us became the judge over us.
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