What meaneth this..

[houston]

Originally Posted by Dedicated Mind

i'm not saying we are gods, but can you concede that we have an elevated position relative to unsaved humans?

Seated with Christ in heavenly places...

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Dedicated Mind

i'm not saying we are gods, but can you concede that we have an elevated position relative to unsaved humans?

There is nothing to concede. It's not relevant to the topic. I don't concede something lol. I agree saved people are positionally better off than unsaved

[UnTraditional]

The Bible declares that there is only one God (Jesus), and there are none others beside, before, or above Him. The scripture that is originally spoken of and the commentary Prax posted I certainly agree with. This "you are gods" doctrine can bring about some serious spiritual implications including hefty pride.

There is only one God, and I am just so glad to serve Him. For a day in Your courts is better than a thousand. I would rather be a doorkeeper in the house of my God Than dwell in the tents of wickedness. (Psalms 84:10 NKJV)

[riverslivnwtr]

Originally Posted by UnTraditional

The Bible declares that there is only one God (Jesus), and there are none others beside, before, or above Him. The scripture that is originally spoken of and the commentary Prax posted I certainly agree with. This "you are gods" doctrine can bring about some serious spiritual implications including hefty pride.

There is only one God, and I am just so glad to serve Him. For a day in Your courts is better than a thousand. I would rather be a doorkeeper in the house of my God Than dwell in the tents of wickedness. (Psalms 84:10 NKJV)

Why, I disagree, I accept the ye are gods and Jesus' reference to it to defend it in John 10..
there is no pride in it..

Jesus said he that is least in the kingdom of God is greater than John the baptist and that includes all before him..

It is an honor from God; he is really quite more lovely than you think..I have known or held this position for more than 20 years and have never had a problem with pride , mainly because for exactly 20 years now Christ Jesus has made himself very particularly personal to me..My idea of God is that he is very much the one who is worthy to be worshiped by gods whom he made to be with him forever.. to have all of his qualities and yet to never forget the depth the breath the length and the height of his love , all of which is incomprehensible to us, now...
But I know that when we see him we shall be like him for we shall see him as he is.....It is easy for me to see this for I am least in the kingdom of God..

and while there may be some who might look down on that I would have to laugh at them..for being so naive..

[riverslivnwtr]

Originally Posted by houston

Seated with Christ in heavenly places...

To God , gods is just a name; constipation should convince anyone that they are nothing....

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by riverslivnwtr

Why, I disagree, I accept the ye are gods and Jesus' reference to it to defend it in John 10..
there is no pride in it..

The problem is that this verse is being taken out of context by Rivers

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It is important to look at the OT context: The whole line reads "I say, you are gods, sons of the Most High, all of you." Jesus will pick up on the term "sons of the Most High" in Joh_10:36, where he refers to himself as the Son of God. The psalm was understood in rabbinic circles as an attack on unjust judges who, though they have been given the title "gods" because of their quasi-divine function of exercising judgment, are just as mortal as other men. What is the argument here? It is often thought to be as follows: If it was an OT practice to refer to men like the judges as gods, and not blasphemy, why did the Jewish authorities object when this term was applied to Jesus? This really doesn't seem to fit the context, however, since if that were the case Jesus would not be making any claim for "divinity" for himself over and above any other human being--and therefore he would not be subject to the charge of blasphemy. Rather, this is evidently a case of arguing from the lesser to the greater, a common form of rabbinic argument. The reason the OT judges could be called gods is because they were vehicles of the word of God (cf. Joh_10:35). But granting that premise, Jesus deserves much more than they to be called God. He is the Word incarnate, whom the Father sanctified and sent into the world to save the world (Joh_10:36). In light of the prologue to the Gospel of John, it seems this interpretation would have been most natural for the author. If it is permissible to call men "gods" because they were the vehicles of the word of God, how much more permissible is it to use the word "God" of him who is the Word of God?

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Now, here is what Yahweh says

Isa 43:10 "You are my witnesses," declares the LORD, "and my servant whom I have chosen, that you may know and believe me and understand that I am he. Before me no god was formed, nor shall there be any after me.

[Praxeas]

This new age, Shirly McClain stuff ain't new. The Devil told this lie in the garden

[kingdomapostle]

The trick with the whole pride thing is this... a prideful person will never admit to being prideful, they would be too proud. lol

Anyway, I think we need to watch the "ye are gods" doctrine...not because its not in the word, but because many times WE can't handle too much without going overboard. We already have problems with trying to be saved. lol We've made all KINDS of messes out of that. I'm sticking to the basics

[acerrak]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

We have erred in the sense that we think Elohim always refers to the supreme being. YHWH is the most high Elohim but its not all that uncommon that it is used for others.

correct elohim was a generic term for the word god, It was not a name, and it was something commonly used back in the day

[Praxeas]

Elohim can be used as a name. Baal was the semitic generic word for Lord but it was also used as a name for one particularly false god

Allah was also a generic arabic word for god but was used as a name too