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Old 08-06-2011, 06:11 PM
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Re: Princeton Grad Student Bill Zeller Suicide Not

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I think I understand where you're coming from. For most of my teen-to-adult life I thought along the lines of there being a "real Jesus" and a "false Jesus" that were being preached. Every time someone "failed" (like this suicide note represents) I would attribute the failing to a "false Jesus" being preached.

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I understand your point. His view of Jesus was deformed by their teachings. I'm aware of how the Independent Fundamentals work in their theology. Some will go as far as to say one can get saved and commit murder and kill themselves, without repenting, and go to heaven because they are saved. Jesus saved them and therefore they cannot lose their salvation.

This kind of teaching creates a "false" idea of Jesus, even if the real Jesus was preached also. To me it takes away from the justice of God and makes salvation a "get out of Hell" free card, versus a new birth and change.
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Old 08-07-2011, 08:46 PM
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Re: Princeton Grad Student Bill Zeller Suicide Not

I don't give much credence to his claims. He had deep seated, severe emotional problems that messed up his mind as demonstrated by his alcohol and drug abuse. This all played out in his inability to maintain a loving relationship that failed him at every turn. He really didn't have the desire or motivation to seek out the kind of help that he needed or to get to the root cause of his problem even if he didn't have any faith in any kind of religion. Some people will take the easy way out as he did but before making his grand exit, he felt a sense of gratification by placing as much shame on his religious background as possible. It is sad, but I have little sympathy. He did not have to suffer this way but he did by his own choosing.
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Old 08-08-2011, 08:42 AM
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Re: Princeton Grad Student Bill Zeller Suicide Not

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I feel an evil inside me. An evil that makes me want to end life.
I'm heart broken at this person's pain. His abuse clearly left deep scars that he never recovered from. The statement above causes me to fear that he was demonized. When we have been abused and are weak, vulnerable, self depreciating, and feeling a sense of worthlessness... believing the enemy's lies can be deadly.

If anyone reading these posts has felt anything like the statement I quoted below, please seek counseling and pastoral assistance before it's too late.
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Re: Princeton Grad Student Bill Zeller Suicide Not

This suicide note is heart wrenching for several reasons. It sounds like this kid was sexually, physically and emotionally abused. As is so often the case, since his parents allegedly used God as their excuse to behave badly, he ended up blaming God for much of his problems.

In all fairness, however, there are two sides to every story, we have no inkling of his credibility and we don't know his parents' side of the story.
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