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07-13-2012, 08:47 AM
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Re: Make Sure you have the Right Bible !!
I own both the KJV and the Geneva Bible. It was published and translated according to the Greek and Hebrew texts. It's not hard to read once you understand old english. The King James Version of the Bible grew out of the king's distaste for these brief but potent doctrinal commentaries in the Geneva Bible. He considered the marginal notes to be a political threat to his kingdom. Which is why he had his own version printed.
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07-13-2012, 10:22 AM
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Re: Make Sure you have the Right Bible !!
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again removed cause most of its not in the oldest copies of the mss
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Two older manuscripts, the Codex Vaticanus and Codex Sinaiticus, discovered in the late 19th and early 20th centuries are given preference in the newer translations over the body of documents which were used to define text from which the KJV was derived. Ordinarily, manuscripts wear out and are replaced on a regular basis but these two old manuscripts had been out of use so they survived. One was hidden away by the Roman Catholics and the other was in a trash bin at an Orthodox monastery. Why was this old document in a trash bin and not used? Could it be the folks realized it wasn't reliable so they didn't use it but just couldn't go ahead and burn it up because it was an old document and a copy of the Bible? Does older mean better? or more reliable?
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07-13-2012, 12:26 PM
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Re: Make Sure you have the Right Bible !!
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Corvet Might I suggest you not get your information from KJV onliests and study it for yourself?
Nothing was "left out" the KJV is based on a series of Greek Manuscripts that are recent and include those verses
The others are based on a series of Greek Manuscripts that are OLDER and do not include those verses. Modern textual critics (the science of examining antiquities in writing particularly the bible) by and large believe the older MSS are more reliable
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07-13-2012, 12:28 PM
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Re: Make Sure you have the Right Bible !!
ROFL...that anti New King James tract is FUNNY. Oh my gosh. What a crock of baloney
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Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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07-13-2012, 09:50 PM
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Re: Make Sure you have the Right Bible !!
I use my Kindle Fire in church for my Bible. I not only purchased the ebook versions of the KJV, MKJV, and NIV but then my pastor told us about the Uversion app that gives you free of charge just about every translation out there.
My pastor currently uses the HCSB version when preaching so I have it downloaded free of charge from this app. Using my kindle allows me to check out how a passage reads in multiple translations fairly quickly so it is almost like having a giant parallel bible.
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"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
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07-13-2012, 09:55 PM
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Re: Make Sure you have the Right Bible !!
If you look at it logically it is kind of bizarre in the 21st century to use a translation that is Old English. It uses words and phrases that have either lost their meaning over time or are not used anymore. The KJV actually makes it more difficult to understand the word of God than a translation into modern english.
When I grew up in old time Pentecost it was the Old English of the KJV that made it seem mysterious and special. Some kind of proof that it was the word of God vs some book in normal english. LOL.
You could see that mentality played out in tongues with interpretation also. The interpretation was always given in Old English like the KJV. Apparently God really, really likes Old English!!!
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"I think some people love spiritual bondage just the way some people love physical bondage. It makes them feel secure. In the end though it is not healthy for the one who is lost over it or the one who is lives under the oppression even if by their own choice"
Titus2woman on AFF
"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
Quote from Ethel Goss (widow of 1st UPC Gen Supt. Howard Goss) book "The Winds of God"
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07-13-2012, 10:05 PM
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Re: Make Sure you have the Right Bible !!
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Originally Posted by CC1
If you look at it logically it is kind of bizarre in the 21st century to use a translation that is Old English. It uses words and phrases that have either lost their meaning over time or are not used anymore. The KJV actually makes it more difficult to understand the word of God than a translation into modern english.
When I grew up in old time Pentecost it was the Old English of the KJV that made it seem mysterious and special. Some kind of proof that it was the word of God vs some book in normal english. LOL.
You could see that mentality played out in tongues with interpretation also. The interpretation was always given in Old English like the KJV. Apparently God really, really likes Old English!!!
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So does JR Tolkien apparently.
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07-13-2012, 10:19 PM
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Re: Make Sure you have the Right Bible !!
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Originally Posted by CC1
If you look at it logically it is kind of bizarre in the 21st century to use a translation that is Old English. It uses words and phrases that have either lost their meaning over time or are not used anymore. The KJV actually makes it more difficult to understand the word of God than a translation into modern english.
When I grew up in old time Pentecost it was the Old English of the KJV that made it seem mysterious and special. Some kind of proof that it was the word of God vs some book in normal english. LOL.
You could see that mentality played out in tongues with interpretation also. The interpretation was always given in Old English like the KJV. Apparently God really, really likes Old English!!!
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Well maybe if it was in Latin...
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07-13-2012, 10:30 PM
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Re: Make Sure you have the Right Bible !!
Just like Shakespeare, I've heard that the Bible just isn't the Bible until you've read it in its original Klingon.
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07-13-2012, 11:27 PM
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Re: Make Sure you have the Right Bible !!
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Originally Posted by CC1
I use my Kindle Fire in church for my Bible. I not only purchased the ebook versoins of the KJV, MKJV, and NIV but then my pastor told us about the Uversion app that gives you free of charge just about every translation out there.
My pastor currently uses the HCSB version when preaching so I have it downloaded free of charge from this app. Using my kindle allows me to check out how a passage reads in multiple translations fairly quickly so it is almost like having a giant parallel bible.
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I use YouVersion
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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