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07-21-2012, 10:46 PM
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Re: Does the Lord deny anybody being healed??
Paul's Thorn In The Flesh:
Of the jews 5 times I received 40 stripes save one.
3 times was I beaten with rods, once I was stoned,
3 times I suffered shipwreck, a night and a day
I have been in the deep.
In journeyings often, in perils of waters, in perils of robbers,
in perils by mine own countrymen,
in perils by the heathen,
in perils in the city, in perils in the wilderness,
in perils in the sea, in perils among false brethren.
All these difficulties were THE THORN IN PAUL'S FLESH,
and nothing else!
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07-21-2012, 10:48 PM
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Re: Does the Lord deny anybody being healed??
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Often it is God's will NOT to heal -not because He is being spiteful, but because He has very good reasons for it...
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Like what or when ??
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07-21-2012, 10:51 PM
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Re: Does the Lord deny anybody being healed??
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Like what or when ??
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See the 2nd part of my post.
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07-21-2012, 10:52 PM
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Re: Does the Lord deny anybody being healed??
What could be a reason?
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07-21-2012, 11:13 PM
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Re: Does the Lord deny anybody being healed??
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Does the Lord deny anybody being healed??
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Yes. A lot of the time.
If God healed everybody all of the time Christians would live forever here on earth in this earthly body.
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"I think some people love spiritual bondage just the way some people love physical bondage. It makes them feel secure. In the end though it is not healthy for the one who is lost over it or the one who is lives under the oppression even if by their own choice"
Titus2woman on AFF
"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
Quote from Ethel Goss (widow of 1st UPC Gen Supt. Howard Goss) book "The Winds of God"
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07-22-2012, 04:42 AM
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Re: Does the Lord deny anybody being healed??
To be more precise, it was a messenger of Satan who was the thorn in the flesh.
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Originally Posted by Dordrecht
Paul's Thorn In The Flesh:
Of the jews 5 times I received 40 stripes save one.
3 times was I beaten with rods, once I was stoned,
3 times I suffered shipwreck, a night and a day
I have been in the deep.
In journeyings often, in perils of waters, in perils of robbers,
in perils by mine own countrymen,
in perils by the heathen,
in perils in the city, in perils in the wilderness,
in perils in the sea, in perils among false brethren.
All these difficulties were THE THORN IN PAUL'S FLESH,
and nothing else!
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Legalism has no pity on people. Legalism makes my opinion your burden, makes opinion your boundary, makes my opinion your obligation-Lucado
Some get spiritual because they see the light. Others because they feel the heat.Ray Wylie Hubbard
Definition of legalism- Damned if you do. Damned if you don't. TV
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07-22-2012, 04:48 AM
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Re: Does the Lord deny anybody being healed??
Is God a liar when scripture says I am God who heals ALL disease? The Bible says Jesus healed EVERYONE who came to him. Jesus didn't play the is it God's will game with people for healing. If Jesus healed everyone while he was on earth, and he is the same yesterday, today and forever, than either the Bible is wrong or the theology is wrong.
All the speculation why people doesn't get healed doesn't line up with the Bible. I admit I don't have the answer, but when I study the answers people give for lack of healing versus what the Bible says, human reasoning falls short.
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Often it is God's will NOT to heal -not because He is being spiteful, but because He has very good reasons for it. Just imagine the world of hurt we would be in if God had listened to His Son's cry to "take this cup from me".
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A religious spirit allows people to tolerate hatred and anger under the guise of passion and holiness. Bill Johnson
Legalism has no pity on people. Legalism makes my opinion your burden, makes opinion your boundary, makes my opinion your obligation-Lucado
Some get spiritual because they see the light. Others because they feel the heat.Ray Wylie Hubbard
Definition of legalism- Damned if you do. Damned if you don't. TV
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07-22-2012, 08:41 AM
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Re: Does the Lord deny anybody being healed??
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Is God a liar when scripture says I am God who heals ALL disease? The Bible says Jesus healed EVERYONE who came to him. Jesus didn't play the is it God's will game with people for healing. If Jesus healed everyone while he was on earth, and he is the same yesterday, today and forever, than either the Bible is wrong or the theology is wrong.
All the speculation why people doesn't get healed doesn't line up with the Bible. I admit I don't have the answer, but when I study the answers people give for lack of healing versus what the Bible says, human reasoning falls short.
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This is just my theory, don't quote this as doctrine or anything, but I believe the faith men had in the bible days isn't the faith we have today. When people in the bible days saw Jesus, and heard stories about what he was doing, they didn't have television, internet, special effects, all that junk, to give them things to compare with Jesus to make them doubt. They had people, telling them, there was a man that was healing people. And word of mouth was the way to bring about information back then. You only doubted fools. So when someone said the Son of God came back, and is coming toward you, and his healing, they believed, "OH GOD! You're coming to take my misery away! You're coming to make me whole! There was no, "You're coming to save me, but what if it's not true." That's just what I believe. Amount up to a hill of beans?
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07-22-2012, 10:01 AM
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Re: Does the Lord deny anybody being healed??
The two main reasons for lack of healing are ignorance and unbelief.
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This is just my theory, don't quote this as doctrine or anything, but I believe the faith men had in the bible days isn't the faith we have today. When people in the bible days saw Jesus, and heard stories about what he was doing, they didn't have television, internet, special effects, all that junk, to give them things to compare with Jesus to make them doubt. They had people, telling them, there was a man that was healing people. And word of mouth was the way to bring about information back then. You only doubted fools. So when someone said the Son of God came back, and is coming toward you, and his healing, they believed, "OH GOD! You're coming to take my misery away! You're coming to make me whole! There was no, "You're coming to save me, but what if it's not true." That's just what I believe. Amount up to a hill of beans?
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A religious spirit allows people to tolerate hatred and anger under the guise of passion and holiness. Bill Johnson
Legalism has no pity on people. Legalism makes my opinion your burden, makes opinion your boundary, makes my opinion your obligation-Lucado
Some get spiritual because they see the light. Others because they feel the heat.Ray Wylie Hubbard
Definition of legalism- Damned if you do. Damned if you don't. TV
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07-22-2012, 11:15 AM
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Re: Does the Lord deny anybody being healed??
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The two main reasons for lack of healing are ignorance and unbelief.
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Wait...I'm partially insane with lack of sleep....um...did I win? I can has cookie nao? ≧✯◡✯≦
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