Restoration after a moral failure - Page 3

UnTraditional · #21 10-05-2012, 10:42 PM

I am actually writing about this now on my ministry web site. I think that we extend more grace to cold blooded killers than fallen ministers, and that is so sad. God will use who He wants, and again, who are we to put our hands on the Ark and say, "Worthless to ever be used again!"

MissBrattified · #22 10-05-2012, 10:59 PM

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I am actually writing about this now on my ministry web site. I think that we extend more grace to cold blooded killers than fallen ministers, and that is so sad. God will use who He wants, and again, who are we to put our hands on the Ark and say, "Worthless to ever be used again!"

Who is saying "worthless....?"

Even on the *other* thread, I don't think anyone is saying that. I doubt if many people feel that way.

All I'm saying is that people lose TRUST; is that the same as not forgiving? It's understandable for a congregation to want someone they can trust implicitly. Or are they all going to hell in a hand-basket for their lack of forgiveness?

I think the people you will find who will be the harshest will be the actual PEERS of the fallen minister; not the saints or community. That's a good question to bring up, perhaps.

I don't understand maligning people, though, for wanting a leader who has a good reputation. Do you truly feel that is wrong?

UnTraditional · #23 10-05-2012, 11:20 PM

Shall we look into all of our pasts, and see whether or not we have fallen? The trust issue falls into the grace issue. If a man has shown the fruit of repentance, who are we to say God does not trust such a man. Yes, we do go to Hell in a hand basket for unforgiveness, a lesson it has taken me far too long to understand and see. It is late now, and I am going to bed.

Praxeas · #24 10-06-2012, 12:13 AM

Titus 1:7 For an overseer, as God's steward, must be above reproach. He must not be arrogant or quick-tempered or a drunkard or violent or greedy for gain,
1:8 but hospitable, a lover of good, self-controlled, upright, holy, and disciplined.
1:9 He must hold firm to the trustworthy word as taught, so that he may be able to give instruction in sound doctrine and also to rebuke those who contradict it.

LooneyLucy · #25 10-06-2012, 06:10 AM

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You know, it is funny... we'll forgive so many people, but when a preacher falls, there seems to be no forgiveness from the religious sects in Pentecost. My Bible still reas all have snned and come short of the glory of God. If a man has sinned, and that sin is repented of, Go forgives. How dare we put a hand to the Ark of God and say what God can or cannot do through them? Sorry if thi seems like a rant, but I know the power of restoation myself, and have compassion on those whom the Church have cast away. And, let me state this, that one sin isnot greater than another. So, if tey steal, how is it that you'll forgive that, but not a man who has repented sincerely of that moral failure, shows fruit of repentance, and has a call of God on his life?

LooneyLucy · #26 10-06-2012, 06:14 AM

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. The qualifications for a bishop are all about building trust and respect in the people--and not just the church people. A bishop is supposed to have a good reputation both within and without.

Ummm, I don't see the "respect" part in scripture, in fact completely the opposite. Jesus was no respector of persons, why should we be?

LooneyLucy · #27 10-06-2012, 06:14 AM

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I am actually writing about this now on my ministry web site. I think that we extend more grace to cold blooded killers than fallen ministers, and that is so sad. God will use who He wants, and again, who are we to put our hands on the Ark and say, "Worthless to ever be used again!"

Amen!

LooneyLucy · #28 10-06-2012, 06:17 AM

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Who is saying "worthless....?"

I don't understand maligning people, though, for wanting a leader who has a good reputation. Do you truly feel that is wrong?

Whoa, here you go again, reputation???? Jesus made himself of NO reputation.

WE have done that, we respect one over the other, WE try to make sure our reputations are soiled. WE WE WE. It's wrong.

UnTraditional · #29 10-06-2012, 08:21 AM

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Titus 1:7 For an overseer, as God's steward, must be above reproach. He must not be arrogant or quick-tempered or a drunkard or violent or greedy for gain,
1:8 but hospitable, a lover of good, self-controlled, upright, holy, and disciplined.
1:9 He must hold firm to the trustworthy word as taught, so that he may be able to give instruction in sound doctrine and also to rebuke those who contradict it.

Question, can a man be such after restoration, or must he be morally perfect and superior all the way through?

Praxeas · #30 10-06-2012, 02:01 PM

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Ummm, I don't see the "respect" part in scripture, in fact completely the opposite. Jesus was no respector of persons, why should we be?

The bible does not say Jesus was not a respecter of persons. Yes Jesus is God but it never says "Jesus is not a respecter of person"

Peter said this

Act 10:34 Then Peter opened his mouth and said, Truly I see that God is no respecter of persons;

This was in response to the Gentiles ALSO being allowed to enter the church

This was the Victorian english way of saying

Act 10:34 So Peter opened his mouth and said: "Truly I understand that God shows no partiality,

Peter was saying God was not showing partiality to the Jews but accepts Gentiles too.

This is not about respecting someone