You play a dangerous game when you arbitrarily dismiss Powell's endorsement as being because he is black. I hear people here and in other places constantly criticize people who accuse them of opposing President Obama simply because of his race. I personally choose to believe them when they give the reasons they actually oppose the President. However, I think you become guilty of the reverse when you dismiss the reasons Colin Powell actually gives for his endorsement and summarily attribute it to race. You are doing the mirror image of what you do not want done to you, and you fail to realize it. Much like you have given legitimate reasons that you oppose the President that have nothing to do with race, Powell has given reasons that he support him that have nothing to do with race. We all have the right to argue the merits of his reasons, but I don't think we have the right to dismiss them altogether and ascribe our own.
Take a look at some of what he actually said:
When he took over, the country was in very very difficult straits. We were in the one of the worst recessions we had seen in recent times, close to a depression. The fiscal system was collapsing. Wall Street was in chaos, we had 800,000 jobs lost in that first month of the Obama administration and unemployment peaked a few months later at 10 percent. So we were in real trouble. The auto industry was collapsing, the housing was start[ing] to collapse and we were in very difficult straits. And I saw over the next several years, stabilization come back in the financial community, housing is now starting to pick up after four years, it's starting to pick up. Consumer confidence is rising."
Summarizing the past four years under Obama, Powell said "Generally we've come out of the dive and we're starting to gain altitude." He acknowledged that problems remain, saying "The unemployment rate is too high, people are still hurting in housing but I see that we're starting to rise up."
Turning to foreign policy, Powell said he saw "the president get us of one war, start to get us out of a second war and did not get us into any new wars. And finally I think that the actions he has taken with respect to protecting us from terrorism have been very very solid. And so, I think we ought to keep on the track that we are on."
Powell expressed his concern about Republican candidate Mitt Romney's changing positions on international affairs. "The governor who was saying things at the debate on Monday night ... was saying things that were quite different from what he said earlier. I'm not quite sure which Gov. Romney we would be getting with respect to foreign policy."
"One day he has a certain strong view about staying in Afghanistan but then on Monday night he agrees with the withdrawal, same thing in Iraq. On almost every issue that was discussed on Monday night, Governor Romney agreed with the President with some nuances. But this is quite a different set of foreign policy views than he had earlier in the campaign. And my concern ... is that sometimes I don't sense that he has thought through these issues as thoroughly as he should have."
Powell also said that he has given close consideration to Romney's domestic policies. "As I listen to what his proposals are especially with respect to dealing with respect to our most significant issue, the economy, it's essentially let's cut taxes and compensate for that with other things but that compensation does not cover all of the cuts intended or the new expenses associated with defense."
Powell said that he did not give either candidate early notice of his endorsement, but that he has "the utmost respect for" and spoke to Gov. Romney several weeks ago, and speaks to President Obama regularly.
He added that with this endorsement, he "signed on for a long patrol with President Obama" and that he feels more comfortable with Obama's stances on climate change, immigration, and education.
Powell also criticized congressional leaders for not living up to their responsibilities, mainly around resolving the approaching fiscal cliff.
"The major problem faced either by Gov. Romney or President Obama, whoever wins the election, is going to be what to do about the fiscal cliff we're about to fly over," Powell said.
"This is something that was put in place by Congress and while we're talking about the two candidates for president let's not forget that Congress bears a lot of responsibility for many of the problems that we have now. They're the ones that write the appropriations bills. They're the ones that pass the legislation for more spending and for the various entitlement programs that people have trouble with."
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Either the United States will destroy ignorance, or ignorance will destroy the United States. – W.E.B. DuBois
It's not baloney.
There were things that the Bush Administration kept Powell in the dark on.
Please tell us what and then prove it.
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The African guy that said so much about Hussein and what he had, and his plans, etc was lying and Cheney had been told that he was not a good source. Cheney withheld that information from most involved in the Iraq War decision-making process.
So only Cheney knew this fact and did not tell CP? And what is the source for this?
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Since the Iraq War, Powell has been anything but gung-ho for anyone connected to the Iraq War "back-room" decision makers.
Nobody said he was
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You play a dangerous game when you arbitrarily dismiss Powell's endorsement as being because he is black. I hear people here and in other places constantly criticize people who accuse them of opposing President Obama simply because of his race. I personally choose to believe them when they give the reasons they actually oppose the President. However, I think you become guilty of the reverse when you dismiss the reasons Colin Powell actually gives for his endorsement and summarily attribute it to race. You are doing the mirror image of what you do not want done to you, and you fail to realize it. Much like you have given legitimate reasons that you oppose the President that have nothing to do with race, Powell has given reasons that he support him that have nothing to do with race. We all have the right to argue the merits of his reasons, but I don't think we have the right to dismiss them altogether and ascribe our own.
Take a look at some of what he actually said:
When he took over, the country was in very very difficult straits. We were in the one of the worst recessions we had seen in recent times, close to a depression. The fiscal system was collapsing. Wall Street was in chaos, we had 800,000 jobs lost in that first month of the Obama administration and unemployment peaked a few months later at 10 percent. So we were in real trouble. The auto industry was collapsing, the housing was start[ing] to collapse and we were in very difficult straits. And I saw over the next several years, stabilization come back in the financial community, housing is now starting to pick up after four years, it's starting to pick up. Consumer confidence is rising."
Summarizing the past four years under Obama, Powell said "Generally we've come out of the dive and we're starting to gain altitude." He acknowledged that problems remain, saying "The unemployment rate is too high, people are still hurting in housing but I see that we're starting to rise up."
Turning to foreign policy, Powell said he saw "the president get us of one war, start to get us out of a second war and did not get us into any new wars. And finally I think that the actions he has taken with respect to protecting us from terrorism have been very very solid. And so, I think we ought to keep on the track that we are on."
Powell expressed his concern about Republican candidate Mitt Romney's changing positions on international affairs. "The governor who was saying things at the debate on Monday night ... was saying things that were quite different from what he said earlier. I'm not quite sure which Gov. Romney we would be getting with respect to foreign policy."
"One day he has a certain strong view about staying in Afghanistan but then on Monday night he agrees with the withdrawal, same thing in Iraq. On almost every issue that was discussed on Monday night, Governor Romney agreed with the President with some nuances. But this is quite a different set of foreign policy views than he had earlier in the campaign. And my concern ... is that sometimes I don't sense that he has thought through these issues as thoroughly as he should have."
Powell also said that he has given close consideration to Romney's domestic policies. "As I listen to what his proposals are especially with respect to dealing with respect to our most significant issue, the economy, it's essentially let's cut taxes and compensate for that with other things but that compensation does not cover all of the cuts intended or the new expenses associated with defense."
Powell said that he did not give either candidate early notice of his endorsement, but that he has "the utmost respect for" and spoke to Gov. Romney several weeks ago, and speaks to President Obama regularly.
He added that with this endorsement, he "signed on for a long patrol with President Obama" and that he feels more comfortable with Obama's stances on climate change, immigration, and education.
Powell also criticized congressional leaders for not living up to their responsibilities, mainly around resolving the approaching fiscal cliff.
"The major problem faced either by Gov. Romney or President Obama, whoever wins the election, is going to be what to do about the fiscal cliff we're about to fly over," Powell said.
"This is something that was put in place by Congress and while we're talking about the two candidates for president let's not forget that Congress bears a lot of responsibility for many of the problems that we have now. They're the ones that write the appropriations bills. They're the ones that pass the legislation for more spending and for the various entitlement programs that people have trouble with."
Nobody dismissed what Powell said because Powell is a black man.
Short of Jesus Christ Himself coming down and giving the thumbs up to Obama, no endorsement really means much to many
__________________ Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
Every sinner must repent of their sins.
That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
Nobody dismissed what Powell said because Powell is a black man.
Short of Jesus Christ Himself coming down and giving the thumbs up to Obama, no endorsement really means much to many
I'm sorry, but when you completely ignore his fairly consistent stated reasonings and blatantly assert that he is ONLY doing it because he is black and that it is all about skin color, that is exactly what you are doing. In fact, dismissal is the perfect word. I think we all agree that it is wrong and counter-productive when it is done to a white American, and this is simply a counter image of that.
I believe that is clear...and by now you know my role here is to bring just a bit of clarity and objectivity to the political homogeneity that is Political Talk on AFF
And as for the bolded, I wish all of my facebook friends would recognize this...
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Interesing after decades of supporting and working for repubs I find it odd he swicthes at same time Obama comes along. Not buying it. He even got emotional and shed a tear when Obama was elected.
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The sinful thoughts subdue,
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The most deadly sins do not leap upon us, they creep up on us.
You play a dangerous game when you arbitrarily dismiss Powell's endorsement as being because he is black. I hear people here and in other places constantly criticize people who accuse them of opposing President Obama simply because of his race. I personally choose to believe them when they give the reasons they actually oppose the President. However, I think you become guilty of the reverse when you dismiss the reasons Colin Powell actually gives for his endorsement and summarily attribute it to race. You are doing the mirror image of what you do not want done to you, and you fail to realize it. Much like you have given legitimate reasons that you oppose the President that have nothing to do with race, Powell has given reasons that he support him that have nothing to do with race. We all have the right to argue the merits of his reasons, but I don't think we have the right to dismiss them altogether and ascribe our own.
Take a look at some of what he actually said:
When he took over, the country was in very very difficult straits. We were in the one of the worst recessions we had seen in recent times, close to a depression. The fiscal system was collapsing. Wall Street was in chaos, we had 800,000 jobs lost in that first month of the Obama administration and unemployment peaked a few months later at 10 percent. So we were in real trouble. The auto industry was collapsing, the housing was start[ing] to collapse and we were in very difficult straits. And I saw over the next several years, stabilization come back in the financial community, housing is now starting to pick up after four years, it's starting to pick up. Consumer confidence is rising."
Summarizing the past four years under Obama, Powell said "Generally we've come out of the dive and we're starting to gain altitude." He acknowledged that problems remain, saying "The unemployment rate is too high, people are still hurting in housing but I see that we're starting to rise up."
Turning to foreign policy, Powell said he saw "the president get us of one war, start to get us out of a second war and did not get us into any new wars. And finally I think that the actions he has taken with respect to protecting us from terrorism have been very very solid. And so, I think we ought to keep on the track that we are on."
Powell expressed his concern about Republican candidate Mitt Romney's changing positions on international affairs. "The governor who was saying things at the debate on Monday night ... was saying things that were quite different from what he said earlier. I'm not quite sure which Gov. Romney we would be getting with respect to foreign policy."
"One day he has a certain strong view about staying in Afghanistan but then on Monday night he agrees with the withdrawal, same thing in Iraq. On almost every issue that was discussed on Monday night, Governor Romney agreed with the President with some nuances. But this is quite a different set of foreign policy views than he had earlier in the campaign. And my concern ... is that sometimes I don't sense that he has thought through these issues as thoroughly as he should have."
Powell also said that he has given close consideration to Romney's domestic policies. "As I listen to what his proposals are especially with respect to dealing with respect to our most significant issue, the economy, it's essentially let's cut taxes and compensate for that with other things but that compensation does not cover all of the cuts intended or the new expenses associated with defense."
Powell said that he did not give either candidate early notice of his endorsement, but that he has "the utmost respect for" and spoke to Gov. Romney several weeks ago, and speaks to President Obama regularly.
He added that with this endorsement, he "signed on for a long patrol with President Obama" and that he feels more comfortable with Obama's stances on climate change, immigration, and education.
Powell also criticized congressional leaders for not living up to their responsibilities, mainly around resolving the approaching fiscal cliff.
"The major problem faced either by Gov. Romney or President Obama, whoever wins the election, is going to be what to do about the fiscal cliff we're about to fly over," Powell said.
"This is something that was put in place by Congress and while we're talking about the two candidates for president let's not forget that Congress bears a lot of responsibility for many of the problems that we have now. They're the ones that write the appropriations bills. They're the ones that pass the legislation for more spending and for the various entitlement programs that people have trouble with."
Colin Powell is a man that rode the horse available to him to the top. When it got hot he caved to the liberal critics, instead of standing up for what he saw and believed to be true. Now he has just adopted the liberal talking points, is this a man that has no personal conviction and just rides whatever horse is available???? I use to respect the man, I now am just watching to see if he finds himself.
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Colin Powell is a man that rode the horse available to him to the top. When it got hot he caved to the liberal critics, instead of standing up for what he saw and believed to be true. Now he has just adopted the liberal talking points, is this a man that has no personal conviction and just rides whatever horse is available???? I use to respect the man, I now am just watching to see if he finds himself.
I can accept that as a fairly reasonable critique and expression of your reaction to what he actually says. My point is that we all deserve that and not a arbitrary dismissal of what we say. In my opinion, Powell has always been a bit left of the GOP on a number of social and other issues. I feel that his growing disagreement with our handling of global issues pushed him even further away over time.
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There are no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, Chuck Norris lives in Houston.
Either the United States will destroy ignorance, or ignorance will destroy the United States. – W.E.B. DuBois
Interesing after decades of supporting and working for repubs I find it odd he swicthes at same time Obama comes along. Not buying it. He even got emotional and shed a tear when Obama was elected.
Do you not think any of his stated reasons have any merit?
Like I said in my previous post... In my opinion, Powell has always been a bit left of the GOP on a number of social and other issues. I feel that his growing disagreement with our handling of global issues pushed him even further away over time.
The dangerous game is that you begin to mirror those who say they have never heard such vitriol, hysteria, and disrespect for the President from some people...so it must ultimately be simply because of his race and not the reasons they state.
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There are no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, Chuck Norris lives in Houston.
Either the United States will destroy ignorance, or ignorance will destroy the United States. – W.E.B. DuBois
It's not baloney.
There were things that the Bush Administration kept Powell in the dark on.
Foreign policy a thorn in Obama's side?
Minus the Libya tragedy, I don't see where anything has been mishandled.
The African guy that said so much about Hussein and what he had, and his plans, etc was lying and Cheney had been told that he was not a good source. Cheney withheld that information from most involved in the Iraq War decision-making process.
Since the Iraq War, Powell has been anything but gung-ho for anyone connected to the Iraq War "back-room" decision makers.
Prax will never see any of the truth in this. He bleeds Republican. He bleeds Republican and dreams in GOP. lol
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