My knowledge of the Bible is admittedly a bit rusty these days, but didn't David continue to show respect King Saul, even though he knew that God had anointed him to be the new King?
And what about all those foreign rulers when Israel was in exile? I seem to recall that short of being commanded to do something that violated the law, they respected and obeyed the rulers of the land.
That wasn't what was at issue with the question there, but yes David stayed in the background and waited for God to fulfill His promise.
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Ah... but there are always choices with regards to God. Did God remove David from power and raise up another more righteous? (He could have.) No. God humbled him publically, allowed a temporal judgment to befall David, and then restored David to righteous relationship and service.
God didn't just humble David, there was a terrible judgement on David because of his sin. His baby died. His daughter was raped by Amnon, his son. Amnon was then murdered by David's other son, Absalom. David was not the same after.
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Sadly... we had a President who had been filled with the Holy Ghost and was deep life long friends with an Apostolic pastor and we reviled him. And we rallied to elect another President who had no affiliation with the Apostolic movement who was under the direct influence of the NWO. Hmmmm... What gives?
It's true that Apostolics/Pentecostals could have been more forgiving and shown more compassion to a President who, to this day has fond memories of his time with the Pentecostals.
I didn't mean to skirt. I voted for Clinton Twice, Voted for Bush the first time, didn't get a chance to vote the 2nd election, but would have voted for Bush a 2nd time and voted for Obama twice. With that said, I am not madly in love with the guy. And I actually stand up for Bush whenever my husband gets going, because I don't think he was the presidential version of the anti-christ.
And I am not in anyway against political conservatives. For many many years I considered myself a libertarian, but I have become more moderate in the last 5 or 6 years.
Mostly, I find that political parties don't fit me, in the same way that religious denominations don't. Because I'm like my name, I can't be pigeon-holed, and I deny logic, LOL
Honestly, this was not intended to be an attack on political conservatives. It was more a rallying cry to other Christians, that we not let our political ideological differences cause us to act less than Christ-like.
Amen... Democrat or Republican... we need to minister to, pray for, and serve our leaders in the Spirit of Christ.
Or lying about "yellow cake" to justify a war that would end in the deaths of untold tens of thousands (or more)?
Hmmm...
I think I can forgive the affair more easily.
I would agree. I am not as in love with W as most of my family and friends. As much as I hate saying it, a lot of what W did in office set the precedent for what Obama has done. Including sealing records. I'm in no way saying it's W's fault for what Obama is doing, because Obama is a big boy, he gave a good speech about Hope and Change; unfortunately we're left hoping for a change in 2016.
God didn't just humble David, there was a terrible judgement on David because of his sin. His baby died. His daughter was raped by Amnon, his son. Amnon was then murdered by David's other son, Absalom. David was not the same after.
How many Psalms were written after David's fall, exposure, and repentance? While yes, I agree, terrible judgment FROM GOD fell on David's family... God didn't remove David. Even Bathsheba saved the nation twice after becoming queen through using God given wisdom.
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It's true that Apostolics/Pentecostals could have been more forgiving and shown more compassion to a President who, to this day has fond memories of his time with the Pentecostals.
Let's face it... we turned on President Clinton like a pack of wild dogs.
Clinton lied... even Bush lied. However, with Bush's lie... bodies are still coming home in flag draped coffins because we're in so deep with regards to Iraq... bringing our boys home would destablize the region. I'd much have rather discovered Bush had an affair. It's a far more human sin... and it doesn't cost the lives of any innocent parties. It's far easier to pray for the President and encourage family counseling than to count bodies.
I would agree. I am not as in love with W as most of my family and friends. As much as I hate saying it, a lot of what W did in office set the precedent for what Obama has done. Including sealing records. I'm in no way saying it's W's fault for what Obama is doing, because Obama is a big boy, he gave a good speech about Hope and Change; unfortunately we're left hoping for a change in 2016.
.... this caused me to get out after 4 years... hard to respect people with half my IQ....
hee hee...
I have found the same thing out here my friend.
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We definitely teach our kids to respect their authorities, including politicians that are in authority over us. However, disagreeing with authority figures isn't disrespectful, especially in our society where freedom of speech is such an important privilege. As long as disagreements are made respectfully, then they aren't disrespectful.
On the flip side, I do think that resorting to personal insults, attacks, racist jokes, etc., is demeaning to the person doing the attacking, and certainly unchristian.
In my opinion, you can disagree--strongly--and still be respectful. Bottom line, it isn't disrespectful for anyone to question the President on his policies or actions, mainly because in our system he's supposed to actually be accountable TO the people.
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