Newborns & Children go to hell?! What does the Bib

[Scott Hutchinson]

If someone is not of a age to realize they need justification,how can they be judged as wicked ?

[Timmy]

Originally Posted by Esaias

If the 'else were your children unclean' verse means the children of a Christian are 'saved', then it also means the unbelieving spouse is saved...

[Nitehawk013]

Originally Posted by Esaias

If the 'else were your children unclean' verse means the children of a Christian are 'saved', then it also means the unbelieving spouse is saved...

That can get to be all kinds of fun theologically then. Maybe we are more ONE with our spouse than we even think. So much "One" in fact that if one is saved, then the other is simply by being joined to us in marriage. We are one flesh.

Not that I would preach this, but it does give some real weight to the idea that you are genuinely joined and one with a person. Hence why God hate sdivorce so much and why divorce literally and truly rips two people to pieces. It isn't a clean break.

[Lafon]

It has been quite interesting to read the responses to questions concerning the fate of children, albeit none seem to have even come close to addressing that which Christ Jesus instructed His chosen disciples about the matter.

Yes, that's correct, He did tell them of the fate of children, doing so (IMHO, that is) within the context of the very first statement He made to them in the now famous "Sermon on the Mount" - "Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven" (Matthew 5:3, KJV).

Please allow me to explain the manner in which I interpret our Lord's statement, showing how He was referring to the eternal fate of children.

Because God has chosen to shroud the precepts of the Bible in language that only those who have been initiated as members of His eternal kingdom are granted the privilege of comprehending, then it's important to recognize that at their essence practically each of its statement are "esoteric."

For this reason we discover that the word "spirit" (with the letter 's' appearing in the lower case), is often used in the language of the Bible to denote the "breath of life."

With the recognition that this is that which our Lord was specifically referring to within the context of the aforementioned statement, permit me to paraphrase His words with this thought in mind so that we might better appreciate that which He was asserting:

"Blessed are those whose possession of the breath of life was limited, thus preventing them from ever maturing from infancy to an age whereby they might understand doctrine. Because of the limitations which fate imposed upon such, then they will automatically be granted eternal life in the kingdom of heaven."

The words of Isaiah 28:9 explicitly tenders, as well as provides the answers to two crucial questions which also assists in our understanding of this matter - "Whom shall he (i.e., God) teach knowledge? And whom shall he (i.e., God) make to understand doctrine? Them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts."

Thus it would seem quite fitting that, in keeping with His "righteousness" (i.e., equality of justice/judgment), God would be prohibited from imposing eternal destruction upon those who never advanced in age to a point whereby they would be capable of understanding doctrine.

Just my thoughts about the matter, and I'm sure there is even more than could be written about this matter.

[n david]

Originally Posted by Lafon

It has been quite interesting to read the responses to questions concerning the fate of children, albeit none seem to have even come close to addressing that which Christ Jesus instructed His chosen disciples about the matter.

Yes, that's correct, He did tell them of the fate of children, doing so (IMHO, that is) within the context of the very first statement He made to them in the now famous "Sermon on the Mount" - "Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven" (Matthew 5:3, KJV).

Please allow me to explain the manner in which I interpret our Lord's statement, showing how He was referring to the eternal fate of children.

Because God has chosen to shroud the precepts of the Bible in language that only those who have been initiated as members of His eternal kingdom are granted the privilege of comprehending, then it's important to recognize that at their essence practically each of its statement are "esoteric."

For this reason we discover that the word "spirit" (with the letter 's' appearing in the lower case), is often used in the language of the Bible to denote the "breath of life."

With the recognition that this is that which our Lord was specifically referring to within the context of the aforementioned statement, permit me to paraphrase His words with this thought in mind so that we might better appreciate that which He was asserting:

"Blessed are those whose possession of the breath of life was limited, thus preventing them from ever maturing from infancy to an age whereby they might understand doctrine. Because of the limitations which fate imposed upon such, then they will automatically be granted eternal life in the kingdom of heaven."

Interesting take; although Luke's account just says "Blessed are the poor." Luke also writes, "to the poor the gospel is preached."

While the paraphrase is interesting and something I've never heard, I don't believe Jesus was referring to children in that verse.

[crakjak]

The only doctrine that makes sense is Universal Reconciliation, that each will have a process of their salvation being complete. That God will not fail in His purpose of creation and redemption, that not one lost sheep shall be lost forever. Jonathan Edward's concept of judgment was very corrupt.

[NewbieMisfits]

Originally Posted by larrylyates

Ezekiel 18:20
20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.

This verse indicates that the children are NOT held responsible for the sins of the parents, but rather for their own. There is also an implied support for an "age of accountability."

Although this has been an interesting thread, I must say the above shows perfect scripture without needing to take it in any matter other than what's written.

I value all input, and am searching scriptures, from what my young-uneducated mind understands..... this would be the best fit...

Anyone disagree with this? (<scripturally<)

[MarcBee]

There is no age of accountability in the Bible. The curse of sin is inherited from Adam--sin is imputed to all humanity. Romans would have been a good place for Paul to mention the holy baby exception, if only there was one.

Romans 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned

Romans 5:18 Therefore as by the offense of one, judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.

It's not what a person DOES, it's what a person IS--sinner--a legal standing. Age is irrelevant. Baby rattle snakes still have poisonous venom, even though they are born without rattle.

[Michael The Disciple]

The age of accountability in the Old Testament was 20. This is stated numerous times in the book of Numbers. They were not to be counted till they were 20 years old.

[Digging4Truth]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Maybe its the doctrine that says people will burn in Hell for TRILLIONS UPON TRILLIONS of years that is problematic? They teach they will never cease to exist. Trillions upon trillions of years from now the punishment will just really be getting started.

Yet people recoil angrily most of the time when its pointed out to them that the wages of sin IS DEATH. Romans 6:23

And... the soul that sinneth... it shall die.