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02-24-2014, 01:10 PM
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Re: Hair and Nature?
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I am most certain about this, thanks for agreeing MawMaw. 
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I can't get that link to work...did you leave something out?
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02-24-2014, 02:02 PM
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Re: Hair and Nature?
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All one must do to determine how short a mans hair must be must go back to the history of the Jewish men in Jesus day. That simple really, and I do hope you don't think Jesus had long hair like pictures depict.
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I'm assuming you're referencing the hair of Jesus in the picture below? Whould you consider that long hair? How about if that was the hair length on a woman?
I'm just trying to apply the same rule to both men and women considering hair length.
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02-24-2014, 02:55 PM
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Re: Hair and Nature?
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YW!
I can't get that link to work...did you leave something out?
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Well, I can't get it to work either aint that something? You could always Google "did Jesus have long hair?"
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02-24-2014, 02:56 PM
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Re: Hair and Nature?
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I'm assuming you're referencing the hair of Jesus in the picture below? Whould you consider that long hair? How about if that was the hair length on a woman?
I'm just trying to apply the same rule to both men and women considering hair length.

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Yes, I would consider that long hair in the picture.
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02-24-2014, 03:01 PM
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Re: Hair and Nature?
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I believe Paul, men ought to have short hair. IMO
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Yes....but the word nature?
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- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
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02-24-2014, 03:05 PM
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Re: Hair and Nature?
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I'm assuming you're referencing the hair of Jesus in the picture below? Whould you consider that long hair? How about if that was the hair length on a woman?
I'm just trying to apply the same rule to both men and women considering hair length.

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You believe this is accurate?
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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02-24-2014, 03:30 PM
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of 10!! :)
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Re: Hair and Nature?
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I can't get that link to work...did you leave something out?
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Well, I can't get it to work either aint that something? You could always Google "did Jesus have long hair?"
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OK, did that and it worked!
(maybe this link also works now?)
http://rcg.org/articles/djhlh.html
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02-24-2014, 04:51 PM
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Re: Hair and Nature?
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I don't know, but for the record "Have long hair" is from one word
89.87 καίb; δέb: markers of a sequence of closely related events—‘and, and then.’
καίb: εἰσῆλθον ὑπὸ τὸν ὄρθρον εἰς τὸ ἱερὸν καὶ ἐδίδασκον ‘at dawn they entered the Temple and taught’ Ac 5:21.
δέb: Ἀβραὰμ ἐγέννησεν τὸν Ἰσαάκ, Ἰσαὰκ δὲ ἐγέννησεν τὸν Ἰακώβ ‘Abraham was the father of Isaac and Isaac was the father of Jacob’ Mt 1:2.
Louw, J. P., & Nida, E. A. (1996). Vol. 1: Greek-English lexicon of the New Testament: Based on semantic domains (electronic ed. of the 2nd edition.) (788). New York: United Bible Societies.
49.25 κομάω: to wear long hair as part of one’s attire—‘to have long hair, to appear with long hair, to wear long hair.’ γυνὴ δὲ ἐὰν κομᾷ δόξα αὐτῇ ἐστιν ‘if a women wears long hair, it is a pride for her’ 1 Cor 11:15. In a number of languages it may be necessary to translate κομάω as ‘to let one’s hair grow long’ or ‘not to cut one’s hair.’
Louw, J. P., & Nida, E. A. (1996). Vol. 1: Greek-English lexicon of the New Testament: Based on semantic domains (electronic ed. of the 2nd edition.) (526). New York: United Bible Societies.
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While some debate whether it was Paul or Aquila who had their head shorn and whether the vow was a Nazarite vow in Acts 18:18, I would wonder at the explanation in bold.
We have posted, in a different discussion, a reference to the Greek meaning for "uncut" found here: http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/...tomos0#lexicon
What I would really wonder at is that Paul, while telling a man that it is a shame to have his hair long, would seemingly, and in effect, be forcing a Nazarite vow on every woman for all time. I have been of the understanding that a Nazarite vow was voluntary. So the definition in the Louw, J. P., & Nida is troubling.
And as Newman had mentioned on FCF, why would Paul need to reach outside the Greek when speaking to a Greek audience?
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02-24-2014, 04:55 PM
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Re: Hair and Nature?
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Yes, I would consider that long hair in the picture.
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On a woman?
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02-24-2014, 09:10 PM
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Re: Hair and Nature?
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Originally Posted by Pressing-On
While some debate whether it was Paul or Aquila who had their head shorn and whether the vow was a Nazarite vow in Acts 18:18, I would wonder at the explanation in bold.
We have posted, in a different discussion, a reference to the Greek meaning for "uncut" found here: http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/...tomos0#lexicon
What I would really wonder at is that Paul, while telling a man that it is a shame to have his hair long, would seemingly, and in effect, be forcing a Nazarite vow on every woman for all time. I have been of the understanding that a Nazarite vow was voluntary. So the definition in the Louw, J. P., & Nida is troubling.
And as Newman had mentioned on FCF, why would Paul need to reach outside the Greek when speaking to a Greek audience?
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I don't understand the last part of reaching outside the Greek..
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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