Im almost out of time

[KeptByTheWord]

Will pray that the Lord will give you peace to make this decision.

[Praxeas]

The only real point in being licensed is to vote, Pastor a church or be an evangelist

Local preachers don't need one

[n david]

T-minus 7 days...

http://youtu.be/5JSCbEKsguQ

[votivesoul]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

I would love to get Votivesoul down here with us but he seems to be at the center of a rising New Testament Church where he is.

Thanks, Brother Mike.

You know, the thought has hit me a lot that I wish you could come here to WI. Maybe one day the Lord will bring us all together before He comes???

But in the meantime, yes, God is stirring and changing things. The pace is quickening. There is still one major hurdle I see that will either make or break what God is doing, but I am praying and trusting in the Lord.

[Timmy]

Originally Posted by Originalist

I have 8 days left . . .

Sorry to hear that. But, well, we all gotta go some time. (Or should I read further? )

[Rudy]

So sorry things are the way they are. I don't know why the church situation is not working for many. Money and politics maybe? I'm hopeful that a place still exist where one can worship with like minded brethren.

Looking for a move myself..

[Rudy]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

It seems you know the answer. The UPC is not the same as The New Testament Church. You are Oneness and post trib. Move to Somerset Ky start a Church and I will come.

Somerset looks very appealing.. I use to live in Lexington.

[Reader]

Originally Posted by Originalist

Has anyone else gotten the sense that allot of these pastors actually try to stifle and stunt the growth of the ministers in their churches who serve underneath them, like clipping their wings?

We could examine their statistics. "4,459 churches (including daughter works and preaching points) and 9,413 ministers in 2013" comes directly from the UPCI official website. For years there have been many more licensed ministers than number of churches in the USA & Canada, even though there is always a push for establishing more churches.

[n david]

Forgive me if this comes across as bashing the UPC, I don't mean to. I've been in two districts where there were enough politics going on to make an episode of House of Cards.

Originally Posted by Reader

We could examine their statistics. "4,459 churches (including daughter works and preaching points) and 9,413 ministers in 2013" comes directly from the UPCI official website. For years there have been many more licensed ministers than number of churches in the USA & Canada, even though there is always a push for establishing more churches.

According to the above statistic, there are 9,413 ministers in 4,459 churches. Could it be the reason more Pastors don't help other ministers under them to grow and succeed enough to branch out and start their own work is due to Pastors wanting to retain votes for district positions? I personally know a minister from another district who pushed to have young men in his church licensed so they could vote for him as a district superintendent. It worked, he's been elected and re-elected a few times now.

To me, that's a sad statistic. I know there are a few hundred nomad Evangelists in that number; however, it also means instead of Pastors sending out ministers to start other churches, they're holding onto them.

[FlamingZword]

Originally Posted by Reader

We could examine their statistics. "4,459 churches (including daughter works and preaching points) and 9,413 ministers in 2013" comes directly from the UPCI official website. For years there have been many more licensed ministers than number of churches in the USA & Canada, even though there is always a push for establishing more churches.

Actually that is a good ratio
for you have the pastor and the assistant pastor just like in the New Testament was
Paul and Barnabas
Paul and Silas

That give us 2 ministers working together and a few extra to establish new works.

It is good to have a pastor and an assistant Pastor in a church because if one dies or leaves the ministry because of whatever reason the other can take quickly over.