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Old 10-29-2014, 03:26 PM
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Please elaborate Bro. Michael.
Well Paul told the Corinthians to all speak the same thing. To be perfectly joined together in the same mind and judgment.

They were to contend for THE FAITH once delivered to the saints. Its supposed to be the same for all believers.

One Lord, one faith, one baptism.

Jesus said the Holy Spirit will guide you into all truth.
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Old 10-29-2014, 04:15 PM
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Nope. lol

Most Pentecostals aren't that spiritually mature yet.
Oh, well, at least you know the essentials.
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Old 10-29-2014, 04:17 PM
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Re: Any hope for unity?

The problem is, when the Apostles died, the new church fathers took over, the original teachings have been misinterpreted ever since.
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Old 10-29-2014, 04:19 PM
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Either Paul must come back from the dead to explain things, or we must actually teach his stuff exactly like he did.
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Old 10-29-2014, 04:59 PM
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Either Paul must come back from the dead to explain things, or we must actually teach his stuff exactly like he did.
More likely he will raise up people from among us. He can anoint them as he did the Apostles and get our attention.
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Old 10-29-2014, 05:35 PM
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Re: Any hope for unity?

The first Apostles were FOUNDATION APOSTLES. At some point we will see RESTORATION APOSTLES. They will establish the true doctrine. They will establish New Testament Churches.
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Just to make my point a little clearer...I agree wholeheartedly with your position. Historically and even today many oneness higher ups have been open to dialogue with the broader body. Thats my experience and prayer for today. Praying that God would direct me to fulfill His prayer; "That they all may be one".
I'm not seeing this at all. What circles are you in? The apostolic church is more separate to today than it ever was.

I will also agree with Aquilla but do you actually think that is the position of most apostolic churches? No.
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Old 10-29-2014, 08:06 PM
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The unity the scriptures present goes beyond what is being posted here.

10Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment. 1 Cor. 1:10

We have learned by our OWN experience that we CANNOT find true Biblical agreement with others. Yet the Holy Spirit DOES present that to us.

We are simply accepting a lower than Biblical standard.
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1 Corinthians 1:10 - Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.

Ephesians 4:13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith ...
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The problem is, when the Apostles died, the new church fathers took over, the original teachings have been misinterpreted ever since.

Egos and money took over. There will be a lot of lost souls because people did not hold their leaders accountable for truth.
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Old 10-29-2014, 08:42 PM
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Re: Any hope for unity?

Personally I believe this is a big issue.

Here is why:

1 Corinth. 1:10 - God wants unity, not confusion.
Ephes. 4:13 - God wants unity, not confusion.
Psalms 133:1 - Unity
Ephes 4:3 - Unity

There are more as you know..


What we now have is...

Every church is for itself. You stay in your building with your people and doctrine and I will stay in mine with my people and doctrine.


That is not unity. This is confusion. And it is hurting us.

If you believe your pastor/leader/whatever is following unity. Ask them to call another Apostolic preacher that they do not know to preach one Sunday. Let me know what happens. Some of you probably don't even feel comfortable stepping inside another Apostolic church.

There should be one church, one body. Same mind and judgement. If you think that is the case now, you need to come outside your box.

These so-called men of God, Apostles, Pastors, etc need to do what Peter and Paul did.


It is a shame because other religious organizations have more unity than we do. At least 90% of Catholics follow the pope.
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Ephesians 4:13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith ...
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