For God so loved the world

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Apparently, Sean doesn't think He was all that Wonderful, either. That's what happens when a person doesn't accept Him as Counsellor.

Sad.

[Sean]

He was officially called Wonderful after the resurrection, when they also called him, God.(Thomas etc)

[Sean]

Originally Posted by Sean

Are you of the persuasion that teaches the Mighty God/Everlasting Father died?

Answer this, guys.

[Sean]

Did Peter denounce Jesus and the disciples flee because they thought the Romans arrested the Everlasting Father/Almighty God?

[Sean]

Apparently, Sean doesn't think He was all that Wonderful, either. That's what happens when a person doesn't accept Him as Counsellor.

I, and the disciples call(ed) him those Titles....after he resurrected.

Thomas waited until after the resurrection to call him God.

He represented the rest, no doubt.

[Sean]

I can see Esaias now, holding the newborn baby Jesus, asking him questions to council him about his problems.


I can see Sean now, speaking to a resurrected Jesus, counciling with him about his problems.

[votivesoul]

Originally Posted by JamesGlen

that He robed Himself in flesh....


Is that acceptable?


Recently heard that as sort of a halfway quote i guess u could say, from the pulpit in a oneness sermon on the name...

Not acceptable. Some within Oneness, and maybe in other circles, too, believe the word "Son" for the phrase "Son of God" merely indicates the humanity of God, or God's Incarnation, and use the phrase "robed in flesh" as a fill-in for Incarnation.

So, for them, any use of the term "Son" to them just means Incarnation, or God in flesh, hence "robed in flesh".

But that's not really a correct way to look at the doctrine of the Son.

Robed in flesh infers that the physical flesh of Jesus was just a robe, something God put on like clothing. If not originally intended when the phrase was first used, it has certainly led many in Oneness to view Jesus that way.

The humanity of the Messiah becomes secondary and ancillary to His divinity, under such constructs, almost to the point of not existing or of being no material benefit other than as a sacrifice.

[votivesoul]

Originally Posted by JamesGlen

John 8:24
John 8:27


It is also stated, that when Jesus said “except you believe that I am he, you shall die in your sins”, that the He in vs 24 is referring to the father( Father being the nearest antecedent to the pronoun, He) based off of vs . 27, and context...


Is that true in your opinion?


(Using this passage in such a way that would mean, if you don’t believe that Jesus is the father, he will die in your sins....)

The "he" in verse 24, if the KJV is being used, is in italics, meaning it's not really there in the Greek, but was added by the translators to supplement meaning.

The Textus Receptus reads:

οτι εγω ειμι

Transliterated as hoti ego eimi

- hoti is the demonstrative pronoun referring to "that" in the text.
- ego is the personal pronoun, 1st person singular, referring to "I" in the text.
- eime is the present active indicative, 1st person singular, conjugated form of the verb that means "to be", referring to "am" in the text.

Once the italicized "he" is removed, it looks pretty clear that the antecedent is from verse 23, that is, the One is who is from above.

So, unless you believe that Jesus is from "above"...

The reference to the Father in verse 27 pertains to verse 26:

"I have many things to say and to judge of you: but he that sent me is true; and I speak to the world those things which I have heard of him".

The Jews didn't understand that the One who had sent Him, the things Jesus had heard of that One, is the Father.

This ties back to verse 25.

"Then said they unto him, Who art thou? And Jesus saith unto them, Even the same that I said unto you from the beginning."

Since they didn't recognize or receive Jesus as the Son of God, they weren't in a position to recognize or receive the One who sent Him, that is, God the Father.

The "beginning" that Jesus is referring to is His first revelation of Himself given to the Jews back in chapter 5:19,

"Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise."

The Jews then would not receive the Lord's testimony, and so, three chapters later, they are still stumbling, not willing or unable to recognize who Jesus is.

[houston]

Originally Posted by Sean

I can see Esaias now, holding the newborn baby Jesus, asking him questions to council him about his problems.
.

Really.... y’all keep entertaining a clown, he will keep performing.

[Sean]

LOL

fact is, you, Houston, teach a murdered Mighty God/Everlasting Father, right?