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10-03-2007, 10:00 PM
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crakjak
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Originally Posted by tv1a
To the best of my knowledge Saddleback does not have a national tv ministry. I don't believe they have a television ministry at all. I think they advertise on television, but not in the form of a prefab broadcast.
Many of the small churches should close down. It is ridiculous to have a bunch of little churches in one area. Many of those little churches were founded on less than pure motives.
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It is my understanding that 80% of Saddleback's growth came from the unchurched, now that is quite an accomplishment.
Sometimes folks go to a small church for a specific reason (the purpose of God) when that purpose or growth has been accomplished in them God moves them on, the pastor should give glory to God that he has been used by God for that specific purpose rather than upset or bitter that they have left him. After all it is God's church not his or anyone else's.
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10-03-2007, 10:05 PM
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Originally Posted by The Swordsman
Matthew 4
8 Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them; 9 And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me. 10 Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.
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So the Swordsman is an ultracon. 
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10-03-2007, 10:09 PM
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God's Son
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It seems 80% of small curches began from selfish motives. God doesn't call 2 upci churches 5 minutes from each other.
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Originally Posted by crakjak
It is my understanding that 80% of Saddleback's growth came from the unchurched, now that is quite an accomplishment.
Sometimes folks go to a small church for a specific reason (the purpose of God) when that purpose or growth has been accomplished in them God moves them on, the pastor should give glory to God that he has been used by God for that specific purpose rather than upset or bitter that they have left him. After all it is God's church not his or anyone else's.
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10-03-2007, 10:15 PM
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"It's Never Too Late"
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Originally Posted by Steve Epley
There will NOT be masses of sinners coming into churches advertsing on television but rather saints from smaller works will be sucked into large churches and the Pastor will be claiming revival in the name of television.
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The answer to your conundrum would be to go on TV and have Revivial.
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10-03-2007, 10:44 PM
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Go Dodgers!
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Originally Posted by tv1a
To the best of my knowledge Saddleback does not have a national tv ministry. I don't believe they have a television ministry at all. I think they advertise on television, but not in the form of a prefab broadcast.
Many of the small churches should close down. It is ridiculous to have a bunch of little churches in one area. Many of those little churches were founded on less than pure motives.
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That was my belief but I did not know for sure so I didn't say they were not on TV at all. But to the best of my knowledge they are not
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10-05-2007, 10:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Ron
It happens all the time with the liberals Carp. 
Although I dare you before God to prove that this in anyway can not be connected to this issue. |
Situations should be judged by scripture, not scripture pulled out and molded to fit and judge the situation. Jesus wept...so we all should weep. 
Isn't that "Preacher Lernin" 101?
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10-05-2007, 10:52 AM
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Originally Posted by chseeads
Why weren't you bouncity-bounce-bounce worshiping?
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I was, until I found out what it was for. Now I think the small church had it half right.
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10-05-2007, 11:00 AM
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Originally Posted by tv1a
It seems 80% of small curches began from selfish motives. God doesn't call 2 upci churches 5 minutes from each other.
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Interesting.... there are 3 where I live.... !!
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10-05-2007, 11:58 AM
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Originally Posted by tv1a
It seems 80% of small curches began from selfish motives. God doesn't call 2 upci churches 5 minutes from each other.
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80% eh? Have they all been anyalised sufficiently to be sure? There ARE reasons people go to smaller Churches also. The doctrine of lets say the larger Church may be to tickle ears such as pre trib or sin less rather than sinless.
It is true there should only be one Church per town. Maybe someday.
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10-05-2007, 12:13 PM
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Originally Posted by tv1a
It seems 80% of small curches began from selfish motives. God doesn't call 2 upci churches 5 minutes from each other.
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Is this in His standard operating manual somewhere?
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