As I understand from reading the Manual, any church can vote to disaffiliate at any announced business meeting. The qualifier is that they have to allow the DS or his rep speak at the meeting, so the org gets one last sales pitch, so to speak.
The language does give a founding pastor more authority and control than a later pastor would have. But still, the "new" guy could "take over" a church and persuade the majority to disaffiliate - or even to affiliate an unaffiliated church as well.
I guess the way you look at it depends upon your local or District political situation. I've seen a couple of churches around here be taken out of the org by "new pastors" who it appears were simply trying to get away from the org. So they move to a new district, take a church and disaffiliate leaving the UPC without a church in an area where it had invested a lot of time and even contributed funds in building.
I did not meant to imply that it had to be a "disaffiliation only" business meeting...only that the church and the district had to be informed that disaffliliation would be on the agenda...
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Pelathais, I sure hope you don't get banned for telling the truth.
I have seen so many lies posted. The best one is the one Triumphant 1 did his best to combat. You know, the hair cutting party thing?
Prominent members of this board chose to believe the lie and even continue to spread it, even though T1 had totally proved it was false.
Thanks, T1, for your explanations....Can you please expand on what you mean here about the "founding pastor"?? So, if he is the "founding pastor" would he have the right to disaffiliate and own the property himself?
I didn't post that but the idea of 'founding pastor" is one that the UPC will not allow a "founding pastor" to be voted out of the church by disgruntled people...
If the church is INCORPORATED it protects the property from being owned by any on individual including the pastor...that is a state law thing not a denominational thing...
Basically, I believe that every church should incorporate with the state as a non-profit...then the property is protected under state law as being owned by the incorporation...and if the church goes bust...no one in that church will profit...another non-profit will receive all assets left...
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Originally Posted by Pastor Poster
Pelathais, I sure hope you don't get banned for telling the truth.
I have seen so many lies posted. The best one is the one Triumphant 1 did his best to combat. You know, the hair cutting party thing?
Prominent members of this board chose to believe the lie and even continue to spread it, even though T1 had totally proved it was false.
I meant "had to leave" on the basis of affiliation. It is symantics really. Yes he chose to leave and a bulk of the congregation chose to go with him to start another church.
Again, if the church would have not been affiliated, he could have lost his license and continue to pastor in that same location with a majority of the congregation....
But they didn't know the binding agreement of affiliation and therefore, when the district took his license he had to go find another building...
BTW, if a man is being investigated or has charges up against him...he cannot move to disaffiliate until the charges are settled and he is again in good standing...LOL...
So some of these affiliated folks had better hurry up if they are realy spouting about leaving or they just might be in the market for some new property....
I see.
Just curious: when a meeting is called for a disaffiliating vote and the district official speaks, what's his sales pitch? What's the plus side of affiliation? From what's been explained, there is less freedom of choice for the church (must have a UPCI pastor). And, uh, that's it, right? Is there an upside?
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Just curious: when a meeting is called for a disaffiliating vote and the district official speaks, what's his sales pitch? What's the plus side of affiliation? From what's been explained, there is less freedom of choice for the church (must have a UPCI pastor). And, uh, that's it, right? Is there an upside?
Our former district has this pitch:
1. Affiliation guarantees fellowship because it must be pastored by a UPC preacher therefore it will always be a UPC church.
2. Affiliation gives the church board a "higher authority" because the district has leverage over the pulpit and can exercise a higher degree of control and discipline due to that.
3. Affiliation maintains the identity of the church because it will always be a UPC church.
4. Affiliation ensures correct doctrine will be maintained because the church will always be pastored by a UPC doctrine preacher.
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Originally Posted by Pastor Poster
Pelathais, I sure hope you don't get banned for telling the truth.
I have seen so many lies posted. The best one is the one Triumphant 1 did his best to combat. You know, the hair cutting party thing?
Prominent members of this board chose to believe the lie and even continue to spread it, even though T1 had totally proved it was false.
Ours passed by 99%...only one vote against disaffliating, and it was a person who was confused and meant to vote the other way...LOL!!!
How would the feel about that pastor leaving the UPC thereby taking the church "out of fellowship"?
There were a few people in our vote meeting that we could not get it thru their heads that we were NOT leaving the UPC but only changing our status to a non affiliated church.
We had one "standards legalist lady" that left over it and went to a nighboring church preaches the clothsline as gospel.
Overall the church is growing.
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Ours passed by 99%...only one vote against disaffliating, and it was a person who was confused and meant to vote the other way...LOL!!!
How would the feel about that pastor leaving the UPC thereby taking the church "out of fellowship"?
There were a few people in our vote meeting that we could not get it thru their heads that we were NOT leaving the UPC but only changing our status to a non affiliated church.
We had one "standards legalist lady" that left over it and went to a neighboring that church preaches the clothsline as gospel.
Overall the church is growing.
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There were a few people in our vote meeting that we could not get it thru their heads that we were NOT leaving the UPC but only changing our status to a non affiliated church.
We had one "standards legalist lady" that left over it and went to a nighboring church preaches the clothsline as gospel.
Overall the church is growing.
Glad to hear that!
I didn't think I'd be leaving the UPC when we disaffiliated either...but things were set in motion very quickly after the vote...
Around here disaffiliation put a big ole target on our church....
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I DIDN'T HAVE A HAIR CUTTING PARTY!
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Originally Posted by Pastor Poster
Pelathais, I sure hope you don't get banned for telling the truth.
I have seen so many lies posted. The best one is the one Triumphant 1 did his best to combat. You know, the hair cutting party thing?
Prominent members of this board chose to believe the lie and even continue to spread it, even though T1 had totally proved it was false.
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