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[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by Brother Strange

Dan, Thumbsucker:

Well, I can only say that "the more I know that I know, the more that I know that I don't know." With each new understanding that I receive, each time thinking that surely I must have finally arrived, I have come to see the folly of my past conceit. With each new revealed truth, I come to see how far short of the mark that I have fallen in times past. Now, I dispair of such foolishness, to surrender any hope of attaining unto any such perfection of understanding in this life, and that such hope is all vanity.

Beholding in a glass darkly do we understand the obscurity of that which we intently desire to see. Yet our focus must not languish of perfect perception nor must it be daunted by the fog and mist of doubt.

As you continue to behold in the glass darkly, when that which is perfect is come, the fog will disipate when charity is matured to reveal that which you behold in the glass, yes, that image which you have sought to behold for so long. Now with heavenly joy sublime in your soul, the image in the mirror is revealed, as the fog of obscurity is rolled away. It is Christ. Lo, it is Christ in you, the hope of glory.

You certainly have a way with words.

It feels like anguish of the soul to want so much to know Him perfectly but only to see Him as through a haze.

Originally Posted by mizpeh

You certainly have a way with words.

It feels like anguish of the soul to want so much to know Him perfectly but only to see Him as through a haze.

Indeed...

I recall the words of Paul, "...that I may know him...," being the cry of his blessed, sainted soul as well.

I have felt the same anguish of soul as I have wept and yearned to truly KNOW him. This anguis of soul has continued as a burden driving me to seek him in a greater and more meaningful way.

Then like a cool breeze or a fresh drink of water while in such anguish of the soul, the Lord spoke to my heart, "Never once did I say in my Word, 'depart from me...YOU NEVER KNEW ME." Understanding came to be in a flash.

It is not so much whether I know HIM or not, though that element is indispensable. It is MORE of a question, DOES HE KNOW ME? Perish the the though that He would say to anyone of us, "Depart from me..., I never KNEW YOU."

I marvel that when Paul said "That I may know Him," he had already been caught up to heaven and had a personal encounter on the road to Damascus that we would all envy. Yet, He didn't feel that he knew Him. What a mighty God? Who indeed can know Him? But hopefully we know Him better today than we did yesteday and better yet tomorrow. And Oh, at the throne. What a time of revealing that will be. When the former things have vanished, our God will wipe away all our tears and I'm sure He will straighten out our limited understanding.

That might take place a bit sooner than we think.

[J-Roc]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

BTW ... I said ... that Romans 5:19 was not written in the future tense ... not that it doesnt have a future tense .... my Lord ... Elder ... stop grasping at straws ....

That's what happens when you read at 13,000 words a minute....you don't have time to process what was read. Slow down, Elder....remember to obey the speed limit posted.

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

I quit counting years ago then I had read it through 50 times. For years I would read nothing but the Bible not even the paper. I would take it to school and insert it in my books. I have not done a systematic thru the Bible reading for the past few years I need to do it again. Please do not think I am boasting I have been blessed with speed reading all my life. I can read a 300 page book easily in a day if it is interesting.

Originally Posted by J-Roc

Sheeeesh....reading at that speed...no wonder you don't get it!

[Brother Price]

J-Roc, he understands it just fine. He knows the truth perfectly well. The problem lies with those who twist scripture to allow ungodliness and abominations to be accepted, despite the clear rendering of scripture.

[SDG]

Originally Posted by Brother Strange

Indeed...

I recall the words of Paul, "...that I may know him...," being the cry of his blessed, sainted soul as well.

I have felt the same anguish of soul as I have wept and yearned to truly KNOW him. This anguis of soul has continued as a burden driving me to seek him in a greater and more meaningful way.

Then like a cool breeze or a fresh drink of water while in such anguish of the soul, the Lord spoke to my heart, "Never once did I say in my Word, 'depart from me...YOU NEVER KNEW ME." Understanding came to be in a flash.

It is not so much whether I know HIM or not, though that element is indispensable. It is MORE of a question, DOES HE KNOW ME? Perish the the though that He would say to anyone of us, "Depart from me..., I never KNEW YOU."

That I may Know Him ... in his power of resurrection and in the fellowship of his suffering ... JUST TO KNOW HIM ... Yadah.

[SDG]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Again you are caught just like I caught you last time and now you flee. Make up your mind either there is something a person must do to be saved or there is nothing he can do to be saved?? But you KNOW if you require faith and repentance then your argument against the necessity of baptism goes out the window. But when you pull these Calvinistic boners I will call you on it everytime. I will be on you like white on rice.

I would continue THIS debate AND to wipe to floor w/ the backwoods theology some would prop up as ALL TRUTH .... but my pastor has not given me permission to.

[Brother Price]

If your pastor holds this doctrine, then he has went the wrong way.

[SDG]

Originally Posted by Brother Price

If your pastor holds this doctrine, then he has went the wrong way.

Most of Pentecost's greats held this view ... and were welcome among your fellowship and held leadership positions ... it''s foolish to not even recognize a differing view.

[Whole Hearted]

It is foolish to recognize anything but the Truth. Repentance, baptism in Jesus name FOR the remission of sins and the infilling of the Holy Ghost speaking with tongues. NO OTHER WAY TO BE SAVED.