Are all Catholics lost?

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by shazeep

well, it's easy to say that, but harder to prove. i am quoting Christ, not myself. it is red-letter that i am defending, wadr.

It is easy to say because Jesus made it easy to understand. You are just a sore loser because even you can see what Jesus meant. Catholics are lost as lost can be. You don't like that? Then work to get them unlost.

[shazeep]

No, you are here to justify them.

i have made it quite plain that i don't know, and you don't either. It is your side that wonders how they can be justified, not mine

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

It is easy to say because Jesus made it easy to understand. You are just a sore loser because even you can see what Jesus meant. Catholics are lost as lost can be. You don't like that? Then work to get them unlost.

yet when i quote Christ all manner of objections are raised about what Christ really meant, which yes does strike me as self-evident; "Love your neighbor as you love yourself; this fulfills the law and prophets." not quite getting how i'm a sore loser because i want to suggest a more literal understanding of this principle, you guys are sposed to be the literal ones

[mfblume]

Who on the forum agrees that "fulfilling the law" means salvation?

[shazeep]

the q is really 'is it even possible that Christ meant a more literal allusion to salvation with that phrase than most people allow for,' regardless of where someone is personally on the matter.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by shazeep

No, you are here to justify them.

i have made it quite plain that i don't know, and you don't either. It is your side that wonders how they can be justified, not mine

You don't know? Then you are willingly ignorant, and will get what you deserve.

I take Jesus at His words that the gate is tight and the road is narrow, and few will find the entrance. I don't wonder how they are justified, just like I don't have to wonder if someone is a bad cook if their food is constantly horrible. You just want your own private Idaho, and anyone who doesn't buy into your brand of scriptural-less nicer than Jesus baloney is then trolled to exhaustion.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by shazeep

yet when i quote Christ all manner of objections are raised about what Christ really meant, which yes does strike me as self-evident; "Love your neighbor as you love yourself; this fulfills the law and prophets." not quite getting how i'm a sore loser because i want to suggest a more literal understanding of this principle, you guys are sposed to be the literal ones

What Christ really meant was that there are so called "Christian" that He doesn't acknowledge. That the entrance into eternal life is extremely tight which causes individuals to actually miss the entrance. Plus the road leading to this small opening is hard to navigate. Very plain words, and sadly they go over your head like a fly ball. But you twist and turn falling over verses which you neither explain, or attempt to even understand in their context. But when a man like Brother Blume spoon feeds you, you play the monkey dancing and scratching.

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

You don't know?

no, and you have been given multiple opportunities to witness what you know, and have demonstrated that you do not, either, just like everyone else here.

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Then you are willingly ignorant, and will get what you deserve.

funny you say that, because i have spent half my life around them, have witnessed the fruit, and claim ignorance, while those who bray "they are lost" seem to be functioning on innuendo, with all due respect. So maybe i know enough, not knowing.

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

I take Jesus at His words that the gate is tight and the road is narrow, and few will find the entrance.

yes, i have been witness to quite a bit of this using Scripture for personal gain here, against others. Seems Christ is taken literally enough when it suits

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

I don't wonder how they are justified, just like I don't have to wonder if someone is a bad cook if their food is constantly horrible.

and yet when you are asked to give a description of the food you tried, you fall silent, and when i try, no one wants to listen. ok.

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

You just want your own private Idaho, and anyone who doesn't buy into your brand of scriptural-less nicer than Jesus baloney is then trolled to exhaustion.

says the guy who assures others of their salvation based upon some words they have said, most likely in fear, and insists that anyone who does not agree with his words is lost, even going so far as to reject Christ's Word on the matter out of hand.

I avoid the political section, if that is any comfort
lots of evangelists end up in politics anyway, i guess

[shazeep]

What Christ really meant was that there are so called "Christian" that He doesn't acknowledge.

this is what Christ meant by the Golden Rule? You would have to explain, i guess.

and i haven't really said this, because it is so obvious that the simple verses have not been comprehended--matter of fact, looks like they are getting more obscure by the minute --but i offer no explanation for Paul for that reason, and certainly can't entertain theories developed by the same groupthink that brought us "if everyone would just listen to us we would all get to heaven," and "i would be curious, and insist they prove it." The rest of your post was written to reassure yourself, obviously, so i will overlook it, too, but one has to wonder if maybe some wolves are not going around seeking the vulnerable to spoon feed here, huh.

[thephnxman]

ADMINISTRAION:

In the waters that are the gospel that saves and the doctrine of the
Lord Jesus, why are you allowing a goat to muddy the waters?

Jesus is Lord.