Are Beards The Mark Of The Beast?

[n david]

Originally Posted by 1ofthechosen

I dont really even pay any mind to the UPC like that at this point. i listen to Brother Steve Kelley and Brother Jason Calhoun, and that's it at this point. All the greats are either dead or not in the UPC any longer. The ones whos kids didn't go liberal all left too...

You don't pay attention, but you do make accusations.

Got it.

[berkeley]

Originally Posted by n david

You don't pay attention, but you do make accusations.

Got it.

Evidently.

[1ofthechosen]

Originally Posted by n david

You don't pay attention, but you do make accusations.

Got it.

What accusation did I make thats not correct.

[n david]

Originally Posted by 1ofthechosen

What accusation did I make thats not correct.

1) That the UPC adopted the light doctrine from when Haney was GS.

2) That the UPC is in decline.

3) That the UPC will accept all these things.

4) That the UPC will recant the affirmation statement (though they should)

When was the last you were in the UPC?

[n david]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Are you denying that you've seen this kind of thing? lol

Eyes clinched closed, feigning the sound of a weepy voice, motioning for the musicians to take their place with a hand placed behind the pulpit, just blow view of the congregation so as to not "distract them" from the move of God.

C'mon. It's everywhere. I've seen good men do it because they were taught that this is what "church" is.

And it isn't just Apostolics or Pentecostals that are guilty either. It's pretty common throughout the church world.

Gimme a break. Here you tell EB not to judge the appearance of the house church, and you go and judge ministers and congregants to be shallow and fake.

As for whether people are fake when shaking hands, I don't know. I certainly am not going to call them fake and shallow.

And to Minister's being fake in the pulpit, I don't recall ever seeing a minister fake it.

But again, your view from the cheap seats must be pretty good.

[1ofthechosen]

Originally Posted by n david

1) That the UPC adopted the light doctrine from when Haney was GS.

2) That the UPC is in decline.

3) That the UPC will accept all these things.

4) That the UPC will recant the affirmation statement (though they should)

When was the last you were in the UPC?

We left the UPC for these very reasons. Beside the UPC being in decline, I'm not talking about members they have like 30 million world wide I'm talking about Spiritually. The Affirmation statement thing I added that because it will happen they don't follow it all the way for the most part anyway, and are against it as you just demonstrated.

We left maybe about a year and 1/2 ago, since then our church has been strongly blessed by God. Kenneth Haney and Western Apostolic Bible College released that doctrine mostly on the State of California around the Stockton area. Where its headed after that I don't know, but you did post a quote of Brother David Bernard also being supportive of it.

Long story short the UPCI was a great organization but it has seen better days. Not number wise, not popularity, but in the glory of God that was upon it. Say what you want but our church has got the glory stronger then ever since we left that organization.

(Notice to anybody in the UPCI no hard feelings this has nothing to do with the people, or the churches, but the leadership is not what it use to be historically..) I'll leave it at that.

[1ofthechosen]

Nope, not today!

[Apostolic1ness]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

You did not get the point? Does your Pastor teach sinless perfection? When you answer that you will understand my comments to Amanah.

But let me explain further. How can one be helped about going on to perfection if the Preacher is teaching no one can be perfect?

You answered her question with a question.
But so you know, we teach that Jesus will receive a spotless church and we better be prepared when that day comes. We teach that we can and must perfect our attitude, spirit and in doing so we will be able to also bring our bodies under subjection. "Walk it the Spirit and we will not fulfill the lust of the flesh". So perfect as in pleasing to God,yes. But perfect as in glorified not yet.

[Amanah]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Are you denying that you've seen this kind of thing? lol

Eyes clinched closed, feigning the sound of a weepy voice, motioning for the musicians to take their place with a hand placed behind the pulpit, just blow view of the congregation so as to not "distract them" from the move of God.

C'mon. It's everywhere. I've seen good men do it because they were taught that this is what "church" is.

And it isn't just Apostolics or Pentecostals that are guilty either. It's pretty common throughout the church world.

or maybe bitterness is distorting your perception?

Hebrews 12:14-17
14 Strive for peace with everyone, and for the holiness without which no one will see the Lord. 15 See to it that no one fails to obtain the grace of God; that no “root of bitterness” springs up and causes trouble, and by it many become defiled; 16 that no one is sexually immoral or unholy like Esau, who sold his birthright for a single meal. 17 For you know that afterward, when he desired to inherit the blessing, he was rejected, for he found no chance to repent, though he sought it with tears.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Authentic? Oh, they're are authentic and everyone else is insincere?

Good job.

No. Everyone else isn't insincere. I never said that. However, I've seen some rather insincere churches (both Apostolic and Trinitarian). I think we all have.

Oh, so only if you look like a bunch a liberals in group therapy you aren't the real deal.

That's not the point. lol

Dale Carnegie your not.

So, now you judge others who don't have liberal tea, and chai latte group therapy.

No. I am only offering a judgment on some things I've witnessed personally. I'm certain that you too oppose fake tears, feigned weeping, "anointed" vibrato, and such antics in the pulpit. And, on the flip side... if a house church is only there for liberal tea time, I'm not interested either.

We actually agree. Unless... you are for preacher theatrics. Hmmm... lol

Oh great a bunch of weeping guys on the floor asking the women to hold them ( or other guys asking guys to hold them).

Actually, it was a men's meeting that was geared towards confession, cleansing, and reconciliation.

No thanks, give me a foot stompin, hand clappin, Holy Ghost service.

Sounds like a concert.

Hey, is there an example of one of them there meetin's you're talking about in Scripture???

Oh, more of Aquila's not judging. Hey, at least you are consistent.

I guess you are still having a hard time judging the others?


Well, well, well. Pot meet kettle.

You're starting to sound like you support the phony preacher tripe. I thought we'd both oppose fakery in pulipteering.

Why are you defending the rather common and phony theatrics we've all seen from time to time?

Did I strike a cord?

Yes, to an entire church family and preaching giving you a standing ovation.

Oooh I'll walk out, look at me preacher! I am walking out, good bye everyone , I'm leaving, do you all see I'm leaving?

I'm saying I'd walk out of a church of fake theatrics in the pulpit. You'd stay?

Believe me the feeling is mutual.

You can't stand fakery in the pulpit? Or, are you being sarcastic and saying that you can't stand authenticity?

Why are you defending the phony weepers and the Joe Osteen wanna bees?

I thought we'd both oppose the fake crying, vibrato ridden catch phrases, and theatrics that are so popular in some circles.